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In my opinion the introduction of this truck with only 10. 5k gvw is a BIG mistake by Dodge. The idea of the mega cab in dually and short bed interests me greatly but the numbers should be 12k for gvw. My truck is grossing 11k now loaded and does a great job. Their new numbers? :confused: IMO for Dodge not to come out with a new truck to compete with GMC 4500/5500 and Ford 450/550 is dumb.....
 
10,500 Gvw?????

WTF??? :--) I thought it would 12,200 like my dually. A short box even with the mega cab is a swap on steel for the bed Vs. cab weight.



Thats definitly not good thinking on the designers part.



Why buy a short dually when a short box 3/4 ton will almost give you the same.....
 
Weird...



Also it is interesting, I have heard GVW's of 11,500, 12,000 and 12,200 from 2003 -> Present duallies, while I have heard that a single rear wheel Ford F350 has 11,500.
 
I do think the DRW's are a big asset for those who don't want a truck 10 miles long.



Why buy a short dually when a short box 3/4 ton will almost give you the same.....



It's a weight distribution problem. With all the weight in the bed if a short bed dually you are not getting the weight transfer to the front axle the way you do with a long bed truck with the same cab configuration. The more weight in the bed in front of the axle (long bed), the better the truck handles.
 
weight distribution

Whether you have a long or short bed the hitches are mounted over the axle. Weight distribution is the same.
 
CUMMINZ said:
Whether you have a long or short bed the hitches are mounted over the axle. Weight distribution is the same.



This assumes that the load is a trailer. Some people actually haul stuff in the truck bed, believe it or don't.
 
It would be interesting to see the research data that DC used to figure out how they wanted to approach this project. Most companies are looking for a quick ROI (Return on Investment) which is normally a 1 year time frame. With the auto companies, my thinking is 5 years on ROI.



I guess my question is, who did they poll for what the customer was looking for in a new truck. Don't get me wrong, it is a very nice looking truck and I think as far as the class it is in, it will more than hold it's own. But as stated before how come DC did not come out with a 450 or 550 series? This question leads to another question, what are the 450 and 550 series designed for? I don't think they are for you average run of the mill pickup owner. Lets face it, a 3500 is a top of the line truck for most truck owners that do not have a business of their own. The 450 and 550 series are a serious step up across the board for certain functions and abilities. I think this would be where you cross over on the scale factor moving up to your larger commercial trucks. Not many guys with families or otherwise have a need for a 450 or 550 as a daily driver. A 3500 as a daily driver is pushing it, but with that said, there are those that can use one and do use one as a daily driver because of the nature of their work.



So now we look a DC and here lies the bottom line question, how much money do we want to invest to try and take market share in the 450 to 550 series trucks? Yes we hear allot of wants, and would like to have, from a few, but that few making the request, is it enough for us to invest a massive sum into a market that already has established leaders? What would we or could we offer that would swing the market our way? We already have a hard core following in the pickup market with a proven product that we are able to ratchet up in performance and looks for minimal cost for many years to come against the competitors. Do we really need to go to the 450 / 550 route?



I'm not associated with DC in any way, but my business training and background compels me to play devils advocate here. There is also the matter of certifying a new truck platform with Uncle Sam's Road Nazis other wise known at the Department of Transportation. What kind of emissions standards do we have to comply with. I think that is why Ford had to back off their big 7. 0 engine, because they could not make the Federal Clean Air Emission regs.



We all want bigger, better, bragging rights over the Ford and Chevy guys, and that is fine with me, but can anybody of moderated means and income afford a $65,000 truck to use as a daily driver :confused:



My bet is DC has asked these same question and in looking into their crystal ball of research and marketing data, have found the answer to be NO.



Food for thought. If some think I am wrong, then please step up and build one and see if (They Will Come). ;)
 
I read on rv.net that when Chrysler was bailed out by the feds, that part of the agreement was to stay out of the heavy truck market for xx years. It may be that that time is expiring, or that the post was BS. Another thing I've read is that the 4500 / 5500 models might be sold as FL trucks.
 
Hmmmm, Why would the Feds after bailing them out not let them into a particular market for X years :confused: I had not heard that, and it does make for some interesting thinking. How long ago was it that the bail out took place? I forget, been about 20 years now hasn't it? I would think that 20 years would be more than enough time for penance on a bail out by the goverment.



That is interesting.
 
why is this given so much talk. if you're not over on the payload/pin weight, you have adequate rated tires for that axle weight and the trailer resulting in the same, you're good to go. what does it matter how heavy the truck is rated for?



At that point arent you able to haul up to what your drivers license classification and plate registration will allow if everything else is within spec?



my truck is rated for 8800lbs, but my trailer is rated for 11700 and has brakes on each axle. the trailer has the tires and axle capacity for the 11700 and i'm not over the 6084Lbs GAW on the rear axle and have required E rated tires on the truck. unless i've misread the DOT will go off the capacities of each vehicle and doesnt care about the 8800lbs rating. now if i had a payload over that 8800lbs all riding on the trucks tires and axles, i would be in the wrong.



I guess my question is how much pin weight are you guys putting on these things?
 
Crazy Horse

Please help me & Klenger "assume" what you were referring to? Were you referring to pin weight?



CUMMINZ
 
Could it be that the 450/550's & 4500/5500's use a 4. 56 (I believe) rear-end and the GM/Ford engines rev higher than the Cummins, to better accommodate that towing axle?



If I am wrong, please correct me.



Joe F. (Buffalo)
 
Joe, I think on the 450/550 and 4500/5500 Ford and GM trucks, it's more of a weight carrying capacity than a towing capacity. The GVW of these trucks are around 15,000-17,000 lbs, with towing capacity around 26,000 lbs. The dually Dodge is 10,500-12,200 GVW with 23,000 as max towing. There is a bigger difference beween GVW than GCW.



You are right about the lower gear ratios. Some go as low as 5. 13's, thats too slow for me :)





"NICK"
 
pin weight I. E. a fifth wheel or gooseneck's tongue weight at the pin or ball.



the GCVW is not cast in stone, that's what i'm getting at here. if you're not over on the GVW/payload (I. E. pin/ball/tongue weight) then you can actually max capacity tow heavier than what the manufacturer "recommends" as long as your drivers license and registration can support it.



like i asked, are you guys that heavy on the pin of your FW's that you are maxing out a 10-10. 5K GVW? I cant imagine a fifth wheel weighing two plus tons on the pin.
 
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With a GVWR of 10. 5k, the Dually Mega Cab CTD does not have two tons (4000 lbs) of payload. My 3500 SRW QC only has about 2600 lbs of payload, and the Mega Cab is heavier than my truck.
 
My 3500 SRW QC weighs in at around 7300# empty. With a GVW of 9900#. nets about 2600# me passenger and cargo/pin weight. The mega cab DRW has extra wheels. This will give a few hundred pounds more of sheet metal and tires/axle weight. Only 600# more GVW than my SRW. Maybe another 200# of payload?? I am rated already for 23000 GCWR but if you put 20% trailer weight (14 of 154K) on the pin the truck would be overloaded but within the GCWR. This new truck does not solve that. It needs the 11500 or 12200 rating to make a good tow vehicle for those 16,000 triple/quadruple slides out there. Unless dodge expects them to be overloaded to deny liability?. I do notice the tow rating was 15,600 wich means the 2WD version is around 7400# empty. The 4WD will shave a few pounds off of that towing capacity and bring it under my present towing capacity. With the rear axle rating within ~1000# of the truck GCW rating you know they are building it to be overloaded.
 
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I have a slide in camper and to someone like me GVW is EXTREMELY important. I have a GVW of 8800 pounds, with a 7000 lb truck that doesn't leave a very big slide in at all. You throw gear, food, people and fuel and you're left with hardly any payload capacity left.



I don't see the argument at all for lower GVW trucks, more is always better. I wish I would looked into this more before purchasing a 3/4 ton truck.
 
More weight

Let me give a few more figures. My 2004. 5 SRW QC 4x4 weighs 8,000#. I have added 2 full length rear leaf springs, 2" lift kit in front, rear sway bar & 250# Pullrite hitch.



Front GVW is 5200#s

Rear GVW is 6000#s

Truck GVW is 9000#



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My truck with 2 adults, 2 footlongs and loaded 36' 5er is:



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I would be willing to bet the new Mega cab dually will weigh 750#s more than my truck. Do the math with my loading for example.



8,000 plus 750 more for Mega cab = 8,750#



10,500 GVW

-8,750

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1,750 carrying capacity with dual wheels



I DON'T THINK SO... ... ... ... ... .



CUMMINZ
 
OK now i see the proplem. i didnt realize they were coming out with that narrow a window on payload.



that is nuts. but i still want one :D
 
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