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i checked the miles on my odomitor with the mile markers @ i find when i get to the 10mile marker i have 10. 2 miles on speedo??? i took a longer trip (100 miles) and found i had 102. 3 miles on speedo.

with over a 2% higher miles than actual how many $$$$ does DC

save on warrenty work.

any body else check this? :--)
 
Do you have stock tires?



I have not checked mihne, but with so many folks running gps units you'd think we'd have heard of this before.
 
10% ???

Prairie Dog,



I would guess 9% around here. It would be an interesting poll to see how amny people re-calibrate the speedo after the 315/70/17 swap out.



I think the stock speedo has to be calibrated much tighter that 10%, JMO.
 
I haven't checked it against the mile markers, but I have checked it against my GPS.



The bottom line is, if the speedometer says 70, my GPS software (Delorme Streets Atlas 2004) reports 68. 5 - 69 MPH.



Of course I wish it were dead-on, but this is pretty consistent with the tons of rental vehicles I have driven.
 
I know that the radar speed signs on I-5 are all wrong. i had my cruise control set at 75mph last night on a trip back from California and one stated that I was doing 66mph and another stated I was doing 74mph. Kinda makes you wonder... .

I have to say that on the up hill grades, i was very impressed. I was traveling 80mph up hill and wanted to pass someone. i barely put pressure on the throttle and passed them like they were parked, yet my avg fuel useage was 17. 5mpg! Outstanding! I get 21mpg @ 60mph and not putting my foot in it!
 
Just think, 315's come with a 6000 mile extension to the 7/70 warranty:D



In the day of magnetic speedometers, 5% error is nothing, but electronic (pulse counting) is 100% accurate, when the revs per mile is 100% correct, the error is always in the error of revs per mile programmed, and you can't enter fractional revs.



If you enter 580 revs per mile, and its actually 580. 7, then you have an error of over 1%. And you tires aren't round, and you aren't always loaded or unloaded.



And GPS is only accurate at time over distance in a perfectly straight line, drive up or down hill and it's wrong too.



And VASCAR is not accurate unless repeated over a very long interval.



Only the Highway Patrol is always 100% correct at judging your speed while eating a Wendy's Hamburger, reading the news paper and talking on the phone, while watching you from around the corner in the rear view mirror.



... ... and the difference between 74 and 75 in a 65 mile an hour zone is 1. 35% and $85. 00.....

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Originally posted by DIESELMAN

And GPS is only accurate at time over distance in a perfectly straight line, drive up or down hill and it's wrong too.




Why would that be when GPS information also includes altitude data? A straight line is still a straight line, even if it slopes up or down.



Also, the mapping software knows the curvature of the road and can use that information to refine the reported speed.
 
I have to disagree - GPS is dead nuts accurate. I repair aviation GPS Nav and collision avoidance systems and I can tell you it's as accurate as the atomic clock no matter what the azimuth of your movement is in relation to the satellites. It's not fooled by turns or angles in any direction. No speedo will be as accurate because of the tolerances in the moving parts. I've compared the performance of Garmin hand helds against our best and their just as good.
 
PDog - put the binders on... - GPS gets an updated position every 'n' seconds, then performs a delta, time / distance to derive speed. The accuracy of the calculation is also based on 0. 6 arc seconds of resolution too.



Speed is therefore the average of the diference in locations over time. If you travel through a curve, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, although you followed a longer path to reach that point, and the reported speed will be slower than the actual speed.



Delta V speed calculation is referenced to a two dimensional spatial relationship in most consumer and aviation GPS units, because the required calculation to ascertain a three dimensional position take too long when compared to the delta V time desired for updating the indicated speed. Since this is the case, vertical speed is not taken into account.



Although the delta V error is small, it is there. Fly with good LORAN coverage (2 dimensional, horizontal TDOA), and good GPS (3 dimensional ) coverage, compare the speed reported between the units ( they rarely agree ), then descend at say 1200 feet per minute (yee haa!) but keep your airspeed the same!!, If you can do this your GPS and LORAN will both indicate a loss of about about 11 -12 knots in ground speed (offset for wind vector), but you know you are traveling at the same velocity as before. The LORAN will never catch up, the GPS might, but it takes several seconds, this is that 2D over 3D error. (DGPS Aviation units with VSI do not count here, they do use three dimensions, but in two different calculations, altitude with GPS is mathmatically tough)



Heisenbergs uncertainty principle also comes into effect, the only thing you can ever really be sure of is that you can never really be sure about anything. GPS processors are all single threaded, yet triangulation requires three seperate calculations, the first result is always wrong before the 3rd result is calculated, and therefore you can only know where you were but never where you are.



Generally, Altitude error is specified to be 1. 5 x Horizontal error specification. This means that the user of standard consumer GPS receivers should consider +/-23meters (75ft) with a DOP of 1 for 95% confidence. Altitude error is always considerably worse than the horizontal (position error). Much of this is a matter of geometry. With just four satellites, the "optimum" configuration for best overall accuracy is having the four SVs at 40 to 55 degrees above the horizon and one in each general direction N, E, W, and S. (Note: You will get a very BAD DOP if the SVs are at the exact same elevation. Luckily, this is a rare occurrence. )



The similar "best" arrangement for vertical position is with one SV overhead and the others at the horizon and 120 degrees in azimuth apart. Obviously, this arrangement is very poor from a signal standpoint. As a result of this geometry the calculated solution for altitude is not as accurate as it is for horizontal position. Almost any calibrated altimeter will be more stable at reading altitude than a GPS.



GPS altitude measures the users' distance from the center of the orbits. These measurements are referenced to geodetic altitude or ellipsoidal altitude in some GPS equipment. Garmin and most equipment manufacturers utilize a mathematical model, not a real calculation, in the GPS software which roughly approximates the geodetic model of the earth and reference altitude to this model. As with any model, there will be errors as the earth is not a simple mathematical shape to represent, the orbits are round but vary due to other bodies, the moon, sun, solar wind etc, and the earth is not round, it is an ellipsoid, and there are many models of the ellipsoid. The geodetic model of the earth can have much error at any specific point and Second, you have the GPS error itself to add in. As a result of this combined error, Vertical changes are not accurately represented in velocity calculations and are ignored, or stated as seperate vertical speed, at a lower determination of accuracy.



Also, your receiver clock is only periodicaly offset to match the satellitte time, atmospheric refraction and difraction causes un-solvable error without DGPS.



By the way, I'll bet many of you didn't know that GPS will not give speed over 1000 knots, and will not indicate over 18000 meters and 515 meters per second velocity, either or, but not both, or over 4 G's of acceleration, to keep Osama from using a garmin to guide missiles, by law.



Talk about off the topic, So how accurate can you be, and then, who really cares :)
 
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I realize GPS isn't perfect but it's better than anything else. GPS sample rates are more than equal to the digital sample rates of our trucks computers when it comes to calculating speed and with the advent of receivers with more channels, new replacement sats, fault detection and exclusion circuitry and a host of other enhancements that remove the military error, vertical navigation and alt (azimuth & angle) measurements are extremely accurate. In fact 90% of the jumbo jets in the world use GPS and a world wide data base to keep pilots from flying planes into obstacles or each other most still use radio alt but that is changing. TAS is now calculated more by GPS than via pitot tube because of the accuracy. Loran has been disabled in A/Cs that were equiped with it - and it's not maintained by the feds anymore. When a station fails it's simply turned off or allowed to drift. Even VHF is more accurate than Loran and it's been abandoned too.

GPS is far more accurate than it was even just a few years ago.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree that GPS is more accurate than the speedo in our trucks.
 
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LOL, PDog, I edited my last post too:rolleyes: If I can avoid speeding tickets, and keep from flying into jumbo jets thats accurate enough. BTW, I use GPS for . 1 meter survey work with way more confidence than anyone ever had with a chain and sticks.



As for "I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree that GPS is more accurate than the speedo in our trucks" theres no disagreement there at all. GPS is the most accurate source of position available, period, but there are better sources for velocity (accelerometers)



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2% is a difference of about 1/3 inch on a tire that is 16" from hub to ground. Tire pressure, load, and wear can make a 2% difference.



Please note that 580 revs/mile vs 580. 7 revs/mile is only a 0. 12% difference.
 
10. 2 would be probably right if you drive normally and not stay exactly in the center of the lane or change lanes. If it is off two percent, you will be driving slightly slower than the speedo shows and that might make that one mile an hour difference on wether John T. Law gives you a ticket.
 
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