My 05 6.0 would walk off & leave my 07 5.9

[PhillipWard]

I joined just so I could ask this ?

Our old 05 6. 0 F350 would walk off & leave our new 07 5. 9 WHY?

Also my work truck is a 05 3500 GMC D/A would keep up with the Ford.

Liked the Ford but could not keep the Ford out of the shop, do not like the work truck a D/A so got one of the last 5. 9's with a auto, wife put about 10K on it got it Oct 07. Wife drives our Dodge pulls our 5er & says it will not run with the Ford that traded in on it I am open, why. I am at the point that I am thinking of putting it on a dino.

I like our Dodge but it just does not pull like the Ford did or my D/A work truck. Now the Dodge does get better mileage than Ford, about the same as the D/A.



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[Simplysmn]

are you pulling same weight ? the 5. 9 should smoke the furd {turd} pulling any day but then again Long lasting is what the motor's are known for unlike there counter parts {chevy -turd} blowing up easy if you are so unhappy try a 6. 7 yeah it may be a fuel sucker but i will tell you this it should smoke both the ford and chevy pulling I know mine does .

 

[raychem]

I joined just so I could ask this ?

Our old 05 6. 0 F350 would walk off & leave our new 07 5. 9 WHY?

Also my work truck is a 05 3500 GMC D/A would keep up with the Ford.

Liked the Ford but could not keep the Ford out of the shop, do not like the work truck a D/A so got one of the last 5. 9's with a auto, wife put about 10K on it got it Oct 07. Wife drives our Dodge pulls our 5er & says it will not run with the Ford that traded in on it I am open, why. I am at the point that I am thinking of putting it on a dino.

I like our Dodge but it just does not pull like the Ford did or my D/A work truck. Now the Dodge does get better mileage than Ford, about the same as the D/A.



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The milage of the truck has to do with that a bit if you have 15k or less on your truck. The major influence in your statement is that the fords and the chevys are 5 speed vs 4 on the Dodge autos... manuals are a different story. That lower first gear helps them move the weight a bit better. NOW when your rolling... ask the ford and the chevys to keep up when your hauling 25k behind you.





Richard

 

[ColemanR]

Put a Smarty on it and you will walk away from that Ford and get better mileage Randy

 

[MMichaels]

If your ford walks off and leaves your 6. 7, leave the keys in it (the 6. 7) and let me know where it got left...

 

[DCreed]

fords usually have taller rear gears, what gears did you get?

 

[BHolm]

What is the test you are using that defines "walking away". Have you run them side by side with loads on? It sounds like you are using a seat of the pants feel test to determine which pulls better. The V8 trucks with five/six speed autos definately "feel" faster when empty. The Cummins builds revs more slowly by comparison but has the torque to pull harder with less drama, therefore it "feels" slower. My experience with a couple of dmax trucks is that they are fun to drive like a car but woefully inadequate when hooked to a load. They require a bunch of rpm to move the load, this wastes fuel and makes noise.



I think the biggest problem you are having is the transition from V8 to I6, not that one is a bunch faster than the other. Who cares anyway? You are talking about TRUCKS right? Neither of the other two will pull grades when loaded like the Cummins. The low end torque is just a little less dramatic in the way it goes about its business. I would agree that a mild mod, a 60hp boost, wakes up the Cummins like you cannot imagine. It becomes a tire smoking beast. None of the new trucks lack power, they are light years ahead of 10 years ago when the most powerful new TD truck was under 250hp. If you need more snort from the 5. 9, mods are easy and the truck remains dead reliable and driveable.

 

[berman2000]

Yo Phil!

i not only leave my buddy's sct-livewire 6. 0 in his own pile of bolts, but have recently got by a 6. 4 w/ performance addons (air, chip'd). this is with a 5. 9 with bolt on mods; not even cranked to the tilt! so, either like was said before, gears, driver and what you call 'test' is something that should be considered. i mean yeah, the chevy feels like a car and gives performance, but the front ends are for ****. the ford, well, to be honest, i've had more ford guys wowed by how quick, and efficient my truck is. but, like you have found out the ford likes to be in the shop with his bro's and sis's. a little mod on a cummins is all it takes to realize why the cummins is king; pulling, dragging, and mileage. so, do us a favor and throw a little love at the cummins i. e. (exhaust, slight chip, mileage max, etc. ) and you will see why god only knows why anyone would make another truck! oh and like stated before, if you dont like the 6. 7, i'll take that right off your hands, no questions asked.

 

[berman2000]

couple more things, phillip.............

Last thing you want is for your wife to break in your diesel. Cmon guy. If your looking to run that cummins on a dino... ... ..... You might have a hard time. Dino was the name of the Flinstones pet... ... . Your looking for a DYNO! I know, you wouldn't understand, its a DODGE thing! :-laf

 

[DieselFiend]

I've never had a ford or Chevy keep up with me while pulling. Pulling about 7 K.

 

[BrianJ]

I have a family member that owns a dealership in WY and when I was looking to purchase my current truck in '04 I had a chance to hook my former RV up to all three (Ford, Dodge, and Chevy) and run the same route, that included a timed run from dead-stop up a long steep hill.



The one that acutally pulled the best, had the quickest time up the hill, and felt more comfortable towing was the Ford. The Chevy and Dodge were about the same. I believe it was the longer wheel base and larger size of the Ford that made it feel more stable towing vs the Dodge.



That being said, I couldn't get myself to take the risk on the new at the time 6. 0, and my relative indicated they were having some problems. I also drive and park in the city, so the short wheel base of the Dodge was another factor.



I am not one that gives a hoot about brands or brand loyalty, I just want the vehicle that suits my current desires and needs the best, so I have no problem being objective among the competition. At this time it is still the Dodge, but going forward where reliability is actually pretty level between the three, I can't say my next one would not be a Ford or Chevy.



Long story short I have experience pulling the same rig on the same course back to back to back with the big three, and being objective the Ford felt and performed the best.

 

[DCreed]

The one that acutally pulled the best, had the quickest time up the hill, and felt more comfortable towing was the Ford. The Chevy and Dodge were about the same. I believe it was the longer wheel base and larger size of the Ford that made it feel more stable towing vs the Dodge.



so the short wheel base of the Dodge was another factor.



no problem being objective among the competition.



Long story short I have experience pulling the same rig on the same course back to back to back with the big three, and being objective the Ford felt and performed the best.

So how is this possible? were some duallys and others not? did they all have the same gearing in the rear? It does matter! If the purpose is to be unbiased.

 

[TFucili]

What is the test you are using that defines "walking away". Have you run them side by side with loads on? It sounds like you are using a seat of the pants feel test to determine which pulls better. The V8 trucks with five/six speed autos definately "feel" faster when empty. The Cummins builds revs more slowly by comparison but has the torque to pull harder with less drama, therefore it "feels" slower. My experience with a couple of dmax trucks is that they are fun to drive like a car but woefully inadequate when hooked to a load. They require a bunch of rpm to move the load, this wastes fuel and makes noise.

I think the biggest problem you are having is the transition from V8 to I6, not that one is a bunch faster than the other. Who cares anyway? You are talking about TRUCKS right? Neither of the other two will pull grades when loaded like the Cummins. The low end torque is just a little less dramatic in the way it goes about its business. I would agree that a mild mod, a 60hp boost, wakes up the Cummins like you cannot imagine. It becomes a tire smoking beast. None of the new trucks lack power, they are light years ahead of 10 years ago when the most powerful new TD truck was under 250hp. If you need more snort from the 5. 9, mods are easy and the truck remains dead reliable and driveable.

I agree 100%. Back when I had my '87 Ford w/6. 9, I test drove a '91 CTD. Both were sticks,and being so used to the rev-to-the-moon power delivery of the Navijunk, I kept getting into the governor on the CTD. It took me a couple minutes to figure out that the CTD would actually pull way harder, and get you there just as quickly, but it just "felt" lazier because it wasn't screaming away. Coming back to the present, I recently rode in my wife's boss's 6. 0. It comes out of the blocks in typical V-8 fashion, but after that it is all about the noise. Don't let the "sound effects" fool you.

 

[BrianJ]

So how is this possible? were some duallys and others not? did they all have the same gearing in the rear? It does matter! If the purpose is to be unbiased.

All SRW's, all short beds (Ford is still longer/bigger), Ford and Dodge were both 4. 1's, don't recall on the Chevy...



I attributed the performance difference to the auto transmission's, figuring the Ford 5 speed was more efficient towing than the 48re. Also, I suppose it's possible because I don't have blinders on when I look at ALL trucks, and don't give a crap if it says Ford, Chevy, or Dodge, or anything else (Toyota/Nissan) for that matter.

 

[DCreed]

All SRW's, all short beds (Ford is still longer/bigger), Ford and Dodge were both 4. 1's, don't recall on the Chevy...



I attributed the performance difference to the auto transmission's, figuring the Ford 5 speed was more efficient towing than the 48re. Also, I suppose it's possible because I don't have blinders on when I look at ALL trucks, and don't give a crap if it says Ford, Chevy, or Dodge, or anything else (Toyota/Nissan) for that matter.

thanks for clarifying. But @ current prices, mileage may be the major factor.

 

[AKaiser]

Get a Smarty or something that will get rid of the turbo lag, and you'll think you're driving a different truck. I know I did. There's no comparison. I think a Smarty Jr. would probably do the trick at half the cost. It gives the 5. 9 ginormous bottom end power.

 

[BDW]

All SRW's, all short beds (Ford is still longer/bigger), Ford and Dodge were both 4. 1's, don't recall on the Chevy...



I attributed the performance difference to the auto transmission's, figuring the Ford 5 speed was more efficient towing than the 48re. Also, I suppose it's possible because I don't have blinders on when I look at ALL trucks, and don't give a crap if it says Ford, Chevy, or Dodge, or anything else (Toyota/Nissan) for that matter.

The difference is in the transmissions. The Ford had more gears so I dont doubt the results. Not exactly compareing apples to apples.

 

[PhillipWard]

I traded a 05 SRW CC SB auto 3. 73 6. 0 F350 in on a 07 DRW Mega auto 3. 73 5. 9 3500. Now I liked the Ford & I would have keep the Ford but could not keep it out of the shop so it is gone. That said I also like the Dodge but it will not pull our 5er like the Ford did. It run's good on the flatland on the interstate. I like to run around 62 but when I get in hills will kick it up to around 70 & it pulls the hills better than at 62. Now where it really sucks is on secendary roads in hills, like when you have to slow to go around a curve when up a hill the Ford pulled a lot harder. We live & work on the road. Now wife pulls our 5er & she is not happy with the power the Dodge has pulling the same fifth wheel. I drive the work truck a GMC 05 DRW extcab LB D/A not sure on rear end but think it is a 4. 1 {it would pull with the Ford & get the same mileage as the Dodge} it does not go in shop pulls good but just do not like the GMC. If I would have liked it I would have gotten a GMC instead of the Dodge



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[AABEN]

The fuel we buy to day is junk! Try some other brand of fuel. The low sulphur fuel is not the best. Might try some howes lubricator & diesel conditioner. This what lot of the over the road drivers use it with very good out come. IT was started in 1920. Are 89 has 600. 000+ and is on the road running strong stock. It has not had a head off of it. It is on the 6 front end rebuild the third transmission 2 starters 3 rebuild ones. It has had howes from day one,-Also 2 sets of injectors and one set of rebuild ----BEN

 

[BrianJ]

The difference is in the transmissions. The Ford had more gears so I dont doubt the results. Not exactly compareing apples to apples.

Ford decided to equip their trucks with a 5 speed and Dodge decided to equip theirs with a 4 speed, only choices in the matter for an auto transmission, so it sure is comparing apples to apples when making a purchase decision or comparing drivability, performance, and towing capability.