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I feel a public apology to DC and Tallys Dodge (Point Pleasant, NJ) is in order for my prior posts about my opinions on their service, designs, etc.



For the few that know me and have read my posts, I’ve been slamming DC and Tallys Dodge for how I’ve been treated on warranty work, repairs, my impressions of the truck and their so called ‘extended care option’ warranty. Although I still feel I’m getting the short end of the stick, I now see things are not greener on the other side.



I recently purchased a BMW X5 4. 4i as a replacement for my 2004 Dodge (I know, don’t say it). This truck along with my $44. 6k Dodge are the first two autos I ever owned which came with a dealer warranty, and which were basically dealer maintained. All my other cars were used with no warranty so I did my own maintenance and I was ‘my own warranty station’. Spending the amount of cash I did on these two autos, I think, gave me the right to expect perfection. As a product design engineer for a large conveyor manufacturer, I have come to except certain expectations in products, either my own or someone else’s. I now see that my feelings on business ethics are much different then what DC feels, or the General Manager at Tallys, or at Denville BMW. It seems things have changed over time from family run businesses that were willing to help and make things right to the corporate mentality where we need to make a profit dollar at any cost. It’s sad but also so true.



Anyhow, I have come to accept the fact that we as humans are not perfect and we design things which are also ‘not perfect’. That utopia corporate society where everyone is knowledgeable and willing to help just doesn’t exist. People just don’t give a rats arse anymore. I’ve witnessed this first hand in multiple scenarios and have learned to accept the fact and to deal with them in whatever discipline they’re found it.



I may or may not keep the Dodge. I like the layout. I like how it fits my lifestyle. I love the Cummins engine. It is just extremely difficult to spend that kind of money and not get treated like the customer but rather like someone with a pocket full of change with a hole in his pants. Things can not be perfect and problems will arise which will be out of my control. I guess the old saying holds true here: “If you want something done right the first time, you’ve got to do it yourself!”



As for this forum board – you guys are a great collection of people, some very knowledge. It’s a good feeling to know that this world still holds some awesome people, and that we developed a way for everyone to get together and share our experiences.
 
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NJT said:
It is just extremely difficult to spend that kind of money and not get treated like the customer but rather like someone with a pocket full of change with a hole in his pants.



Bingo. The other thing is in this day and age where places like Wal-Mart and Home Depot are where everyone shops, there is zero sense of customer service. DC is no exception. From what I gather they're worse than most of the places I've experienced.
 
I hear you loud and clear. When I was dealing with the vibration on my truck the tech's answer was "well, it is a diesel". :rolleyes:

I then went home and printed out the information on the upgraded power steering hose and gave it to him.



Thanks to the TDR I got the problems resolved.
 
The trouble with the people on this sight is they all have the Cummins engine

in there trucks and they think because the engine is flawless the truck is going to be the same. wake up if Cummins started selling pick up trucks I bet Dodge would be out of the diesel truck business real quick . I wonder how many of you would buy a Dodge truck with a Dodge diesel in it ???????
 
Tim said:
Bingo. The other thing is in this day and age where places like Wal-Mart and Home Depot are where everyone shops, there is zero sense of customer service. DC is no exception. From what I gather they're worse than most of the places I've experienced.



Ahhhh. Another satisfied DC customer! :-laf



I was at McDonalds the other to get breakfast. This time around I decided to go inside vs. drive thru to place my take-out order mainly because I got sick and tired for getting all the way home just to find out 1/2 my order was missing or wrong. While standing there a young kid walked in showing up for work 15 minutes late. The manager said, "You 15 minutes late again!". Kid turned around and said, "Yea, so?!" and kept walking. Manager looked over to the customer counter to see if anybody heard and then quickly looked away and went about his business.



What has western civilization come to????
 
Unfortunately everyone is looking for a deal and they will go elsewhere. Good help costs money, running a business costs money, turning a profit is the goal, happy customers is only needed if it helps acheive the goal, if you make mad 20% of your customers by cheap help but only pay 70% of the cost of good help that might make mad 5% of your customers what would you do?



Sorry I am in a rant today as my best employee wants a raise, my customers want a discount because joe blow that works out of his pick-up offered him a 10% savings and my transportation costs have gone up 8%. Do I save the best employee I have ever had with less than 1% complaints on his record or give him up and replace him with one of the 20% complaint guys and match the guy in the pick-ups price? Or worse yet now have my employee go to work out of his pick-up?



:( :( :(



had to edit as censor got me :(
 
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Eric_77 said:
Unfortunately everyone is looking for a deal and they will go elsewhere. Good help costs money, running a business costs money, turning a profit is the goal, happy customers is only needed if it helps acheive the goal, if you make mad 20% of your customers by cheap help but only pay 70% of the cost of good help that might make mad 5% of your customers what would you do?



Sorry I am in a rant today as my best employee wants a raise, my customers want a discount because joe blow that works out of his pick-up offered him a 10% savings and my transportation costs have gone up 8%. Do I save the best employee I have ever had with less than 1% complaints on his record or give him up and replace him with one of the 20% complaint guys and match the guy in the pick-ups price? Or worse yet now have my employee go to work out of his pick-up?



BOSS NOW THAT I KNOW I AM YOUR BEST EMPLOYEE I ALSO WANT A SIGNING BONUS :-laf
 
20% Mad

That 20% of customers who get mad at poor service (or perceived poor service) will tell EVERYONE they know about the "poor service". But out of that other 80% some will spread the good word. PLUS the 20%ers will be telling people of the "poor service" for a long long time. AND, most people who get bad service do not complain. They just go elsewhere, giving the business owner no opportunity to cast oil on the troubled waters. I don't own my own business but I do manage three large accounts for a computer helpdesk with 10 people reporting to me and I can't afford to have any of my people giving poor service (or even what might be perceived as poor service) to 5% of the customers they talk to. And don't even get me started on how much more it costs to keep a good employee vs FINDING a good replacement.

"Randy is now stepping down off his box of soap. "
 
Tim said:
Bingo. The other thing is in this day and age where places like Wal-Mart and Home Depot are where everyone shops, there is zero sense of customer service. DC is no exception. From what I gather they're worse than most of the places I've experienced.



Humm... ... . someone who doesn't even own a Dodge, knows ALL about DC customer service?????



Ok????
 
Not always

I disagree. I've been treated fairly and like a valued customer by my VW and Dodge dealers. :-{}



Maybe its the local culture of your dealerships thats the problem. Didn't you interview the dealers before you bought a $40,000+ vehicle? Or did you just look for the cheapest price? Did someone hold a gun to your head to buy there? :confused:



Your 80-20 rule holds true for dealerships as a whole too. The 80% that treat their customers well rarely get attention, but the 20% which are bad ones get plenty.
 
Eric 77, I say let the customer that wants the dicount walk. After he gets burned by the guy in the pickup, he will be back or better yet, not be back. In running my business, I've come to realize that I always get burned by the whiny s. o. b. 's that want a discount. What they really want is you to do the work, they are just trying to whine there way into a cheap price. I find that this is always the guy I have to chase for my money, make twenty phone calls, bounce checks, etc. Your time and effort will be better spent elsewhere. I've finally got a couple of customers who have been burned severely by the guy in the truck and realize that price isn't everything, especially when that discount price ends up costing them twice what my price was when they have to repair the pickup guys crap. I've billed one contractor $4000 for repairs that would have cost him an extra thosand initially. Thats an extra $3000 he spent to get horrible service, bad workmanship and customer complaints. I know its hard, but walk away.

I also would keep the 1% guy. That guy is the normally the guy that will follow through in the pinch or work extra hours when you need him. They are generally worth the money, but you'll have to make your own evaluation.

Off the soap box now, but I REALLY know how you feel.

P. S. My fuel cost have increased almost 50% in the last year. I now am at 1. 5 times my truck payment per month. I know thats not a lot for those who drive for a living, but thats just to get me to the job everyday.

Shawn
 
BigWheel- yup everybody here has got a Cummins motor in their truck. But Cummins is not perfect-"53 blocks" "KDP's" "injectors" no one is perfect. Other diesels, mercedes, cat, detroit to name a few, build a motor as good as Cummins. Yes I would buy a Dodge with a mercedes diesel in it. Don't get me wrong I like my Cummins you won't ever see me in a F or C diesel.
 
I have had great sales and service with my dealer also. Not quite as good as my Honda dealer, but pretty close. I also would buy a Dodge with a Mercedes diesel in it. Love the Cummins, but if it goes away, Dodge still makes the best looking pick-up.
 
jwduke said:
Humm... ... . someone who doesn't even own a Dodge, knows ALL about DC customer service?????



Please expand on your statement. I'd really like to understand how, knowing my situation, and knowing WHY I don't own a Dodge has anything to do with my indication of their service to their customers.



One thing you may be missing is that anyone that is looking to buy, whether they own or not, are still customers.
 
Tilesetter Too said:
Eric 77, I say let the customer that wants the dicount walk. After he gets burned by the guy in the pickup, he will be back or better yet, not be back. In running my business, I've come to realize that I always get burned by the whiny s. o. b. 's that want a discount. What they really want is you to do the work, they are just trying to whine there way into a cheap price. I find that this is always the guy I have to chase for my money, make twenty phone calls, bounce checks, etc. Your time and effort will be better spent elsewhere. I've finally got a couple of customers who have been burned severely by the guy in the truck and realize that price isn't everything, especially when that discount price ends up costing them twice what my price was when they have to repair the pickup guys crap. I've billed one contractor $4000 for repairs that would have cost him an extra thosand initially. Thats an extra $3000 he spent to get horrible service, bad workmanship and customer complaints. I know its hard, but walk away.

I also would keep the 1% guy. That guy is the normally the guy that will follow through in the pinch or work extra hours when you need him. They are generally worth the money, but you'll have to make your own evaluation.

Off the soap box now, but I REALLY know how you feel.

P. S. My fuel cost have increased almost 50% in the last year. I now am at 1. 5 times my truck payment per month. I know thats not a lot for those who drive for a living, but thats just to get me to the job everyday.

Shawn

just like he said, give your man his raise. good dependable help is hard to find. i am a flooring contractor and it seems like every guy out there looking for work is lazy pot head that prefers to work one week then take one off. my brother works for me and he does good. i have no trouble giving him a raise when the time comes. of course i wont give him more than hes worth. laying carpet its important to have help that will work late because you usually need a hand with something. like others said, let the cry babies walk. around here there is enough work that if a customer doesnt like my price(which aint the lowest) i walk. i have found that by working closely and helping costomers, as well as fixing my mistakes has really paid off. we arent perfect but when i have an install issue i fix it right away. most people respect that and put i a good word regardless of the issue. happy customers pay off but you cant please them all. i guess corporations are different
 
I am glad you like your Dodge truck with its Cummins engine in it.

Would you like your Dodge truck with a Dodge diesel in it ????

Not a german diesel , not a Cat diesel , A Dodge diesel in it.

Think about the Ball joints all breaking and wearing out at 30,000 miles

Think about the bad steering Dodge made for years and keep saying its O. K.

that way. Then there are the good lift pumps we dont want to leave them out. I bet if Dodge stoped putting Cummins engines in the trucks you would not have one ( BillGotthelf ) Good looks dont make it move that Cummins makes it move and sells it .
 
Day tripper63, I do not have my own business. I recently had allot of work done to my house. I went with the most expensive guy for a couple of reasons.

1) Better materiels.

2) Higher quality of workers to do the job.

3) Better service, ie: Whenjob was completed, clean up was preformed. I didn't have to do a thing, nor can I find any mistakes.

4) He pays for medical insurance for his employees. Yes I asked and confirmed on the side with his emplyees.

Anyway the point is, I got more than expected in little add ons that I was never asked to pay for. If I were you I would explain this and tell he dicount seeker, "Do I have to apologise for giving my guysheath insurance!" And yes I would give the guy an appropriate raise. And yes I did ask fora better price, which was refused. I used him anyway. Just my two cents. Steve
 
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