My BIL's New 2019 F250 CC 4x4

[TFucili]

My buddy just traded off a '16(?) F-250 with @70K miles. He had bought it used with @30K on it, and that truck was a rattletrap. The interior creaked and groaned, the doors rattled in the openings, etc. I'm sorry, I just don't see all the Ford greatness.

 

[JR]

Ram certainly does seem to be ahead of the competition in terms of interior fit and finish. I feel Ram does take a back seat to Ford in durability. Despite the perception of cheap plastic feeling interiors they seem to hold up on the long haul. I searched far and wide for a Tradesman with work vinyl seats and rubber floors but it is like a needle in a haystack. This is still a fairly favorable combo with Ford.
The Superduty is hands down the most popular truck for roustabout and general oil field work around here. Integration towards gasser has been steady since the 7.3 days and now the great majority are gas. I see some seriously clapped out bodies, beat to hadies and back, but the trucks seem to march on. I think Ford's decision to keep with manual hubs speaks to their acknowledgement of their customer base - commercial vs weekend warrior.

 

[Wayne M.]

It is tough to put brands R and F head to head in a given application, except for maybe Verizon. They have both trucks doing the same job with bucket bodies. One thing I can say for sure, is that Ram has taken over the hot shot and towing/ recovery biz around these parts. Now it’s unusual to see a Ford doing these jobs.
I know ford SD 250-350’s ride like buckboards. The job keeps buying them due to politics, and quite possibly F being low bidder.

 

[JR]

Same here Wayne. Anything that still makes $$ sense for diesel Ram is the clear winner. All else is Ford.

 

[BigPapa]

I, too, have seen mostly Rams doing hotshot hauling, but the majority I see are 3rd Gens. 4-5 years ago almost every 5th wheel camper you saw on the road were being towed by a Ram, but not anymore. I’m seeing more and more Fords and Chevy’s pulling them.

 

[TFucili]

Out here the only thing you see Chevys pulling is a bag of groceries.

 

[gsbrockman]

Imagine for a moment, if you could, a 2019 loaded Laramie with a 2005 trim 5.9 tweaked for today’s output. I’d call that close to perfection.

I see you’re one of those still living in the 5.9L bygone era.....

In any event....

• I do not miss my ‘98 12V and NV4500 or its chassis
• I do not miss my ‘00 24V or its chassis
• I do not miss my ‘03 HPCR and NV5600 or its chassis
• I do not miss my ‘07.5 or its chassis

Every generation has gotten better, both in powertrain, chassis, interior appointments, and overall longevity.

The reality of it is......the 6.7L is going on year 12 and is just as venerable....probably more so due to the amount of units on the road....than the 5.9L.

 

[gsbrockman]

@Wiredawg

Is the F-250 a pickup with bed delete or a Cab & Chassis?

 

[Wiredawg]

@Wiredawg

Is the F-250 a pickup with bed delete or a Cab & Chassis?

it's a bed delete....no flat frame in back.

 

[Wayne M.]

GS, you’re the exception here because of your duty cycle. There’s just no way any 6.7 will do what my 04 5.9 has done for me since it rolled off the lot, and it’s not anything about the basic 6.7 engine, but everything bolted to it. I’ve had a fantastic trouble free life with my truck since day one. It’s impossible for anyone to have a better experience than I’ve had.
Aside from the leaky CP3 that was a recall, it’s never been to a dealer, left me walking or ever anything other than a scheduled down since 08/2004.
If they still made em like mine, I’d buy another right away.

 

[AH64ID]

GS, you’re the exception here because of your duty cycle. There’s just no way any 6.7 will do what my 04 5.9 has done for me since it rolled off the lot, and it’s not anything about the basic 6.7 engine, but everything bolted to it. I’ve had a fantastic trouble free life with my truck since day one. It’s impossible for anyone to have a better experience than I’ve had.
Aside from the leaky CP3 that was a recall, it’s never been to a dealer, left me walking or ever anything other than a scheduled down since 08/2004.
If they still made em like mine, I’d buy another right away.

I sure wouldn’t get another one like my 05. Both dads 06 and my 05 required a rebuild before they should have. Me at 93K and dad at 120K. The 04.5-07 5.9 is the least reliable of all 5.9’s ever built. The piston design for that generation is horrible and not something I’d ever purchase again.

Now those trucks with the 03-04 pistons were 10x better. It’s amazing what the piston change did for how the motor ran.

 

[Wayne M.]

I sure wouldn’t get another one like my 05. Both dads 06 and my 05 required a rebuild before they should have. Me at 96K and dad at 120K. The 04.5-07 5.9 is the least reliable of all 5.9’s ever built. The piston design for that generation is horrible and not something I’d ever purchase again.

Now those trucks with the 03-04 pistons were 10x better. It’s amazing what the piston change did for how the motor ran.

Hmmmm. I have 5100 hours and (I know I’m overdue) not even the valve cover has ever been off. This truck has spoiled me. I guess leaving things stock was a good choice. That said, I know of a couple of early 3 gens like mine that have been good.

 

[AH64ID]

Hmmmm. I have 5100 hours and (I know I’m overdue) not even the valve cover has ever been off. This truck has spoiled me. I guess leaving things stock was a good choice. That said, I know of a couple of early 3 gens like mine that have been good.

Early 3rd gens are different than late 3rd gens.

Many, many late 3rd gen failures occur stock. It’s just a poor piston design. It was the price paid for no external EGR... to be honest I’m not sure it was worth it.

It was a great motor with the different cam and pistons. The UOA change was night and day! Hard to believe the power was increased after the rebuild and the wear/soot went way down. Gotta love better internals.

 

[BigPapa]

I’m with Wayne on this one but I’ll speak to my old 12-valve.

I’m currently a bit over 550K miles. Never had the head off, still on the original IP, replaced the injectors once for a performance increase, replaced the turbo for a performance increase(my original’s still going on a buddy’s truck). I’ve replaced the water pump twice, sealed the vacuum pump/PS pump once, replaced the tappet cover gasket once, replaced the lift pump once(probably really didn’t need to), adjusted the valves half a dozen times, and replaced the front seal twice. Doesn’t use any oil and still gets 20mpg commuting 70 miles a day like clock work. Other than that I’ve not had any problems with the engine.

No way will you or anyone else get that kind of trouble free service for what it’s cost from a 6.7. And, as I’ve stated MANY TIMES, it’s NOT the engine that’s the problem, it’s the emissions equipment that causes the problems.

 

[Wayne M.]

You go Papa!
I got nothing against 12 Valvers, it’s just a different flavor. I’d love to restore and get into another 1Gen someday.

Hey Ron, what’s the details on the body of that rig? Aluminum?

 

[AH64ID]

No way will you or anyone else get that kind of trouble free service for what it’s cost from a 6.7. And, as I’ve stated MANY TIMES, it’s NOT the engine that’s the problem, it’s the emissions equipment that causes the problems.

Absolutely. The 6.7’s biggest issue is the bolt on stuff. The 13+ motors are MUCH better than the 07.5-12 motors. I have yet to see a regen that isn’t at the 24 hour max runtime between regens...meaning they have gotten the tuning dialed in.

That’s the issue with the late 3rd gen 5.9, it was the motor internals. The pistons were horrible. By far more late 3rd gen 5.9’s need premature rebuilds than any other ISB in a Dodge/Ram. Like anything else, some go much longer than average and those owners should feel lucky.

 

[Wayne M.]

Jeez, I’ve been around here since before 04.5’s were built and this thread has more gripe on that engines internals than I ever recall reading- aside from dropping valve seats, and we know how that happens.
That said, any new vehicle is against the odds because of the sheer equipment it has.
Will any of these new vehicles be running at all 20 years from now?

 

[Wayne M.]

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/y-pipe-replacement-question.267709/

The referenced thread above. This is exactly what I’m pushing. The complexity of today’s vehicles make it impossible to run with older models that don’t have such ridiculousness in terms of liability. Ford was a pioneer of this nonsense and still has the lead today.
The reality is that if you want a new vehicle, you’re faced with this reality. My reality is that I will choose my vehicle based on avoiding these things as much as possible.

 

[AH64ID]

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/y-pipe-replacement-question.267709/

The referenced thread above. This is exactly what I’m pushing. The complexity of today’s vehicles make it impossible to run with older models that don’t have such ridiculousness in terms of liability. Ford was a pioneer of this nonsense and still has the lead today.
The reality is that if you want a new vehicle, you’re faced with this reality. My reality is that I will choose my vehicle based on avoiding these things as much as possible.

The Y pipe is not part of “today’s vehicles”. It was a bonehead idea that didn’t last, like the non-reentrant 5.9 piston. Engineers try things based on paper calculations. It’s why it’s not recommended to buy the 1st year of a redesign. .

Not sure how you’ve missed the late 3rd gen being the least reliable 5.9 ever put into a Dodge, but that’s neither here nor there. It was still the best option of the 3 for the timeframe, but I wouldn’t trade a bone stock ‘13-‘18 for a bone stock 04.5-07’.

 

[Wiredawg]

You go Papa!
I got nothing against 12 Valvers, it’s just a different flavor. I’d love to restore and get into another 1Gen someday.

Hey Ron, what’s the details on the body of that rig? Aluminum?

No sir, the sheet metal in it is ~16 gauge.