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Gentlemen... ... .



My son has started looking for a "New" fiver. He has also just joined the TDR family. He has a 06 2WD DRW 3500 with a G56.



We like to hear from those with middle of the road units ($$$) with 6K axels 16" 8 lug wheel etc. Any links you guys have would be appriciated!!!.



Mac:cool:
 
Mac,



For a lower to middle price 5er I can't say enough for Nash and Arctic Fox, which are made by Northwood Mfg. They also makes a toy hauler called a Desert Fox. All of these are 4 star rated. The smallest AF I could get with 16" wheels and an onboard generator is a 27', which is the 27-5L. There are other brands that may be better, but at a higher price. I would also consider a good used 5er where much of the depreciation is taken off.



Arctic Fox comes with Dexter axles and the Nash comes with Lippert axles. Both are American made, but Dexter is considered better. Northwood Mfg make all their frames in their La Grande, OR plant.



There's a long thread called, "Better RV Brands". It has 444 post and is loaded with information on many brands. I would do a search and read it.



george
 
The amount of money he wants to spend is going to play a major role in the ultimate decision but the GVWR of the fifth wheel and the construction quality should be major considerations. Personally, I don't want to tow more than the 14,100# of my trailer.

I recommend your son consider the HitchHiker line manufactured by NuWa Industry in Chanute, KS. NuWa Industries, Inc. .

He can spend more, or less, but the build quality of a HitchHiker can only be beat by a Teton, Newmar, Travel Supreme, or New Horizons, most of which went under when the economic recession started because sales stopped dead in their tracks.

Nobody in the industry can beat the customer service provided by NuWa from CEO Mike Mitchell who routinely participates in discussions on the NuWa Owner's Forum to the regional sales managers who provide the factory tours and now sell units direct to consumers from the factory. Also included in the exceptional service are Laurie, the interior decorator, who will return phone calls and discuss interior fabrics and colors, Rose the parts manager who now operates a parts store and will ship whatever an owner may want or need, the engineers who will respond to phone calls and emails regarding designs, weight, etc. and the best RV service department in America, run by "RV" the service manager and Daryl Dennis, shop foreman. I often pull my trailer 550 miles to Chanute if I want something done because they are the product experts and I always leave feeling that I got more than I paid for. Their labor rates are the same as RV dealers but their times billed for each job are a fraction of the time an RV dealer will bill for upgrades or repairs. Mike Mitchell is a smart businessman. I suspect he works with RV to make the service department the best kept secret in the RV industry because it builds prospect interest, encourages customer loyalty, sells lots of trailers, and generates considerable repeat business.

HitchHikers are now priced at wholesale price direct from the factory. See the inventory section of their website. That is not bogus, it is a fact. When I bought my '07 they weren't selling direct from the factory so I negotiated a near wholesale price from a Kansas dealer. Now the factory sells at similar prices.

I believe HitchHikers are now the only RV product built using very dense and strong blue Dow corning styrofoam panels. (Not ordinary whites styrofoam but blue. ) Teton formerly used that method also in their very expensive all weather trailers but Teton is now gone from the market.

I am high on NuWa products, not because I own the brand, but I own one because I am enthusiastic about the product. I took Bill Stockard's advice and considered NuWa when I started looking. I did my homework before buying. The purchase and ownership has been an excellent experience. They are well built, very well insulated units of sound and sturdy construction. Not the cheapest, but among the best built.

My final comment is this: advise your son to look and consider very carefully before he buys a unit with Lippert frame and suspension which is most of the Elkhart brands. I won't name them here because it will offend owners who are satisfied with their products. If you or your son care to PM me I will say more.

George "grizzly" of TDR has an RV buyer's product guide book he generously shares with TDR members considering a new RV product. Grizzly will tell you or your son what his guidebook says about particular brands.

And, by the way, 6,000 lb. axles are too light for most modern fifth wheels. 7,000 lb. axles only add another $100 or so to unit price if he orders a new one rather than buying from a dealer's lot. Ditto the large Dexter brakes. They provide far better braking for only a couple hunded dollars added to the price.
 
We like to hear from those with middle of the road units ($$$) with 6K axels 16" 8 lug wheel etc.



We owned 3 Jaycos, 2 of them 5th wheels (a 1996 Designer 3030RKSS and a 2000 Designer XL 3610RLTS) and were very satisfied with all of them. Our Jayco 5th wheels used Leland Engineering frames and Dexter axles. These 5th wheels delivered years of good, reliable service, and Jayco has an excellent reputation for customer support and service.



Rusty
 
Grizzy, and Harvey... .



Great response time!!!!!!



Your not kidding when you say NuWa is a good trailer. Been around them allot over the years. Unfortunately he cant spend that much.



I do like the Northwoods Mfg stuff. What about them Harvey?. He doesnt want to tow seven tons by the way.



Griz... .



Did the peeps at Northwood survive the economic down turn.



Mac:cool:
 
Grizzy, and Harvey... .



Great response time!!!!!!



Your not kidding when you say NuWa is a good trailer. Been around them allot over the years. Unfortunately he cant spend that much.



I do like the Northwoods Mfg stuff. What about them Harvey?. He doesnt want to tow seven tons by the way.



Griz... .



Did the peeps at Northwood survive the economic down turn.



Mac:cool:







Yes they did Mac and they're doing well. I talk to some of their reps now and then and they did say that the economic downturn has showed them down some, but they are still producing TT, 5th Wheels and Truck Campers.



You have consider that Northwood Mfg is not a high end manufacture and they still build a good product for the money. The best bang for the buck is a Nash, IMO.



george
 
I agree with Grizzly on the Arctic Fox. I haven't looked closely at one because they are sold in the Pacific Northwest and not very common in TX, but I think they are a good choice in their price, size, and weight range if your son wants to buy new.

I also agree with Rusty that a Jayco is a good brand in it's price range. I have pulled lots of Jaycos and looked them over fairly well. They are a conventional stick-built trailer but with good quality control and good materials and components such as the Dexter running gear Rusty already mentioned. Jayco was founded by Jay Bontrager, an Amish farmer in northern Indiana building fold-up trailers in his barn. Jayco is still owned by the Bontrager family and the assembly lines are mostly populated by Amish workers.

I understand now why you mentioned that your son wants 16" tires and wheels and 6,000 lb. axles. That's a good choice in lighter fifth wheels.
 
I have pulled lots of Jaycos and looked them over fairly well. They are a conventional stick-built trailer but with good quality control and good materials and components such as the Dexter running gear Rusty already mentioned.



Actually, as far as the Designer product line is concerned, our 2000 was the last year of the stick-built (wood superstructure) Jaycos. In 2001, they went to aluminum superstructure construction. Having said that, we never had any structural problems with our stick-built ones, but the marketplace said that it wants aluminum (despite the fact that Tetons, Excels and others were/are stick built as well. )



Rusty
 
You know, My wifes aunt has a Jayco Designer. But do the Jayco's have 16" eight lug hubs and axels rated for at least 6K?. Her Aunt's is a big heavy 31 footer with 15's,:eek:



Mac:cool:
 
The 30' had 15" wheels. The 36' had 8-lug 16" wheels with LT235/85R-16 load range E tires and Dexter 6K axles.



Rusty
 
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Rusty... .



I thought so. That 36 footer is too big. What is the name of that higher end Sunnybrook?. I forgot the name of the that thing. I do remember however they had 16's on them with 6K axels, and how are they built?.



Mac:cool:
 
Actually, as far as the Designer product line is concerned, our 2000 was the last year of the stick-built (wood superstructure) Jaycos. In 2001, they went to aluminum superstructure construction. Having said that, we never had any structural problems with our stick-built ones, but the marketplace said that it wants aluminum (despite the fact that Tetons, Excels and others were/are stick built as well. )

Rusty

I either didn't know or had forgotten Jayco had moved to aluminum framing. The ones I pulled and looked over were all lighter and less expensive versions of Jayco units.
 
look at the carriage cameo,i like mine and it is a 4 season 5th wheel. he will save a lot of money on a use one. more bang for the buck,good luck. gary
 
well the Northewoods fivers really look nice the only problem the nearest dealer is inn Escondito which is 100 miles away!



Mac:cool:
 
Mac,

That's one of the reasons they put wheels under new fifth wheels.

When I was ready to order my new fifth wheel back in early '07 I knew that transportation charges in the RV industry were based on actual delivery miles (I was transporting them) and therefore knew I was likely to find a better price closer to the factory. I also knew as an informed consumer I could almost always find a better price out of my area because a wise sales manager knew it was an opportunity for a sale simply handed to him at no cost.

The second call I made was to a HitchHiker dealer sales manager in Olathe, KS, only about 130 miles from the factory at Chanute. I got exactly the deal I was looking for and ordered the trailer. It was 700 miles from home. A hell of a discount made the trip a no brainer.
 
Mac,



I like Harvey ordered our Arctic Fox from an out of town dealer, which was Pinehurst RV in Pinehurst, Idaho. The dealer is very close to Northwood Mfg plant in La Grande, Oregon. Yes, we drove our truck 1000 miles from home with all the supplies we would need for a two week trip, minus food. We stopped at a Wal-Mart in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho to buy food for the camper, then went on to Washington and Oregon. We spent some time with my brother in Grants Pass, OR. We made a nice vacation of it.



We do have an Arctic Fox Dealer in Albuquerque and one in Silver City, NM, but couldn't deal with them. I got a fantastic price from Pinehurst RV, which included NO transport fee. Unfortunately Pinehurst RV got caught in the economic downturn.



On that trip I decided that I needed a better brake Controller. With advise from Harvey and other TDR members, I purchased the BrakeSmart.



george
 
macdaddy

Have your son look for a repossessed 5vr and save several k. He can find a better unit for less than a new will cost and not loose that big 1st yr depreciation, but he will need more upfront money as the banks are still very risk averse.

Fred
 
Another plug for Jayco, I've owned 2 Designers so far and been very happy with both of them. I agree with Harvey that NuWa and Travel Supreme also make very good units, but they are pricier. If you are thinking Jayco and don't mind traveling some, the local dealer here in MT sells them at basically wholesale prices. I just bought a new Designer last year that had a sticker price of $75,000, yet only paid $49,900 for it. I realize that is probably more money than your son is thinking, but is a good indication of the amount of mark up in RV's.

I don't know if it would interest you or not, but we had a pretty bad hail storm here this summer and they are selling the units with hail damage at rock bottom prices. Most of them only need new A/C covers, vent covers, etc. Just throwing it out there.

BTW Harvey, did you know that Travel Supreme is now making the new high end Jayco?
Well, the dealer was telling me that anyway, I don't know it for certain.
 
When Travel Supreme went under during the economic downturn, Jayco bought the intellectual property rights and tooling of their motorhome division. The Travel Supreme motorhome is now manufactured by Jayco under the Entegra Coach brand name. See HERE.



Rusty
 
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