Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Need Input from EVERYONE!!! Please Look!

[qzilla]

I have a history of being long winded and trying to explain everything in great detail. I will try to keep this as short as possible.



What would you think about a product for the 98. 5-02 trucks that was targeted strictly at mileage and not performance?



What I am talking about is a simple plug and play box with an On/OFF switch that will guarantee say a 10-20% increase in mileage. It will offer EGT reduction, Better Mileage, Better throttle response and updatability to a 70 hp module via web update (you wil pay extra for this. )



Now, to top this off since it is economy based we need to make it priced economically. Lets say we have the retail price somewhere around 1/2 price of the XZT+ modules.



What do you think?



Now, if you like it, you can keep your mileage setting and upgrade at your leisure to an on the fly adjustable 65hp module at any time.



Give me some feedback.

 

[Joe Mc]

What the heck is an XZT+ and how much is 1/2 the price?

10 - 20% better economy . . . sounds interesting enough, need more data . . .

 

[qzilla]

Quadzilla

 

[PRout]

Sounds interesting. . I am definitely looking for ways to improve upon MPG's & efficiency. Sure others are also.

 

[DLGonzo]

I'm all for the MPG improvement, but can you go ahead and make it add About 150 hp? Actually my dad would be interested I think. I already have the comp, and it wouldn't be right to reduce the hp. My truck would hate me for it.



Also, would it require pump wire tap like the xtz, or just plug'n'play similar to edge ez? (sorry about competitor references just makes it easy to unerstand)



Go for it. Let me know if you need som Beta Testing

 

[gregdoerfler]

how would it work if someone has other box's or bigger injectors? could you turn off your box and increase power then turn off the extra power and turn on fuel saver?I know you cant go switching injectors so how would it work if you had bigger ones?

 

[DennyDay]

For a Duce, I'll bite - - When you gonna' have it ready? How 'bout one for an 06?



Denny

 

[RRees]

It needs to be plug and play, no wire splicing/tapping etc.



How about Economy - Non-tow, Economy - light tow (<5klbs), Economy - heavy tow (>=5K lbs), Get out of my way, now! - fast, Wipe that Grin off your face-fast.



I have analog gauges already.



Economy has to be 20% or better. That 10% stuff is to hard to determine if there was an improvement since there are other factors, temp, fuel purchased where?, etc.



<$400. 00 - I'll buy tomorrow.

 

[Batphreak]

I'd be very interested as long as It won't hurt a stock auto transmission. That's the one thing keeping me from doing any real mods, I know I need to update the transmission before I start throwing more power down.

 

[rweis]

Would have to know how it reacts with other options. No wire taps of any kind. Probably a 2nd gen and a 3rd gen version, ie mechanical injectors / electronic injectors.



Bob Weis

 

[AndyMan]

Quad can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this box is intended for those with other boxes, injectors, gauges, etc. I think he most likely intends this box to be for bone stock trucks that only want to see an increase in fuel economy. It sounds like he wants to be able to offer a small (65-70) HP bump IF the buyer would like to upgrade the box at some point.



Personally, I think it's a great idea. There are lots of guys around that are stock and don't have plans to add power but would love to get the fuel economy. I'm also with the other fella about the 10% not being enough. 20% is a more tangible number IMHO.



I think you should certainly offer it with Commander compatibility. A nice compact set of digital gauges and a mileage box that doesn't add power (i. e. doesn't require other modifications to run properly... like transmission/clutch, exhaust, and air upgrades and such. ) should be a winner.

 

[jkalchik]

I'm a bone stock 99 24v driver. It's mostly used as a daily driver (46 miles each way to work!) and gets duty towing a pop-up camper and will be towing my Jeep Cherokee.



I'd be interested in it as an economy measure. I should point out that I am seriously considering RV275 injectors and a Smarty by next spring.

 

[GTrent]

I'd be interested, FYI guys the XZT is a $400 box, according to that Quadzilla link. So for $200..... 10 - 20%..... yep, I'd be interested. Wouldn't take long to amortize it



I'm with the other comments regarding NO wire taps, should be compatible with other stuff, yadda yadda. Then again, I've got the bigger injectors in mine, so I probably wouldn't benefit from it that much to begin with.



OK, off to put the new VP44 in

 

[AKaiser]

Personally, I think it's a great idea. There are lots of guys around that are stock and don't have plans to add power but would love to get the fuel economy. I'm also with the other fella about the 10% not being enough. 20% is a more tangible number IMHO.

Well, if you're getting 20 MPG without it, a 2 MPG increase saves you about $150/10,000 miles ($3 fuel). It would pay for itself somewhere around 13-17,000 miles at today's fuel prices.



Attached is a PDF of an excel spreadsheet and chart comparing fuel cost at different fuel prices and MPG.

 

[RRees]

Ok, I did a re-think.



I don't need but maybe a 30-65hp increase, but I'd rather have more economy than power. My truck tows my Jeep pretty good right now.

If it can do it cheaper, then that is better. I would have an excuse to go to more Jeep events so I could save more money.

 

[GDMRTN]

I'm interested. But like others, I wonder if it'll work with bigger injectors and a programmer. Plug-n-play would be nice.

 

[CCutshaw]

Will it smoke a lot? I really don't want a big cloud.
Calvin

 

[Jefff929]

I don't like your choices.



I think you might sell a few as fuel prices continue to climb you may sell quite a few. You need to be "banks marketing" it. Most folks who have any inclination to mod their truck have done it, getting some of the others who haven't already bought a box is the trick. EVERY product I have ever bought claimed I could get better mileage. While this is true, I have always changed my driving style to accommodate the turbo sound, added power, whatever... I could get great fuel economy if I could just __________. fill in the blank.

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

I find myself climbing into my toyota car to travel to rodeos, cowboy football games, etc. Now, don't get me wrong, my car is comfortable..... but I'd much rather be in my CTD! The only reason I drive the car is for the mpg's. If your product works, I'll take 2!

 

[MarkStevenson]

all most 30000 miles

Well, if you're getting 20 MPG without it, a 2 MPG increase saves you about $150/10,000 miles ($3 fuel). It would pay for itself somewhere around 13-17,000 miles at today's fuel prices.



Attached is a PDF of an excel spreadsheet and chart comparing fuel cost at different fuel prices and MPG.

Using your own spreadsheet you would save about $136. 00 on 10000 miles

So it would take almost 30000 miles to get your money back that to me is

To long needs to cost less to for me to think about buying it. :-{}