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Buying a 3500, looking for advice

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Shelby Griggs

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Background:



I bought a 2001. 5 2500 in the fall of 2000. My long range plans at the time were to run this in my business for 10 years / 300K and then replace.



At this point I have about 215K or so miles, no real expensive problems yet, still has OEM VP44, U Joints, starter, water pump, alternator, etc. Other than a few lift pumps, rear axle seals a couple of times, etc. , just routine maintenance so far, the clutch is even still working good. The truck was a 2500 PU and I replaced the bed with a service body when it had 500 miles on it AND is primarily used for work only, CGVW with a small trailer with ATV, etc. is about 12K and 8-10K at all other times.



Now I am thinking of a new 2009 C&C 3500 single rear wheel:



I am seriously considering making the jump this fall to a 2009 C&C based on NOT wanting year number one of the new body style, which would put me off till fall 2010 when I could buy a 2011 in the second year of the new body style.



The 2011 of course would fall into my 10 year plan, BUT that would also be after the 2010 emissions on the C&C. I know there has been some (OK, maybe a lot) of issues with the pickups with 2010 compliant emissions. It "seems" that maybe the C&C with only 2007 emissions are currently doing somewhat better, AND the write up on the home page does seem to indicate that the newer trucks have had much of the problems cured, OR at least Cummins is aware of the issue attempting to fix the software to cope.



One major concern I still have is the heat from the re-gens. My line of work takes me off road, or at least on a lot of two tracks, I sure don't want to catch the job site on fire. Has there been any progress there, say like a re-gen lock out below 30 MPH OR any time in low range, etc. , that would minimize the heat while driving slow off road? This is concern rather I buy a 2009 or 2011.



Emissions aside, I usually like staying at the end of a model for lots of reasons, so 2009 would "theoretically" be the most refined 3rd generation, maybe things like the AC blend door etc. , will be fixed finally. There are a few new enhancements such as bigger brakes, higher GVW's etc. coming on the 2009's, kind of like we finally got good brakes on the 2nd gens at the end, better cruise control, etc.



I think this may be the year to get some good deals too, I am reading of folks in at least some parts of the county getting 25-30% OFF of MSRP.



My business has been good in 2008, and a "tax" write-off for this year might be good too, although I am a little tentative on what the 2009 economy stands to bring, without getting into the politics, I suspect that things will magically start to recover after the election, regardless of who wins in November.



The worst part of buying a new truck besides the payments and possible emissions problems is getting it set up again, that will lighten the wallet and fatten the Visa bill quite a bit, LOL.



Should I jump into the deep end while driving a completely serviceable 8 year old truck?



SHG
 
Sounds like you want to buy the truck. Nothing wrong w/ that.



Not sure it would be the most refined 3d gen, since so many evolutions in the 3d gen. My 03, first of the 3d gens, has been trouble free. I used the same theory you are talking about when I bought my 02, the last year for 2d gens . It has been the most troublesome vehicle I've owned. For my part, I'm gonna keep our fleet and fix 'em 'til the can't be fixed anymore.



Wiredawg
 
Get rid of it before it starts to fall apart. You'll never recover the money you spend on repairs. Personally, I like to spend the money on payments rather than repairs.

If it's not in any danger of getting wore out, keep it. Better to pay the taxes and have something leftover than to buy the truck and have nothing left over. It might be a deduction, but it's still money out of pocket.

Just my $0. 02
 
Sounds like you want to buy the truck. Nothing wrong w/ that.



Thanks for your input. Yes and no! Since this is used in my business, replacement is inevitable, it is just a matter of timing, as much as I like the 2001, I know at some point in a daily business use it will reach a end of life / reliability point. Of course I have to wonder how reliable the new ones are too! I have to say in 8 years I have never had to walk and the only time the truck has seen the end of a tow hook was when I stuck it in a ditch on a project. At some point I need to say good-bye to an old friend :{ I just was thinking out loud here on the board, looking for input from others who have made this choice too.
 
Get rid of it before it starts to fall apart. You'll never recover the money you spend on repairs. Personally, I like to spend the money on payments rather than repairs.



If it's not in any danger of getting wore out, keep it. Better to pay the taxes and have something leftover than to buy the truck and have nothing left over. It might be a deduction, but it's still money out of pocket.



Just my $0. 02



Thanks for your input. I agree on both accounts! The 2001 should be reliable out to 300K / 10 years, BUT I have to look at what is going to be offered too, which is why I somewhat prefer to upgrade now when we know what we have with the 3rd gen body style.



My accountant tells me the same thing, BUT if you need something, then you might as well buy it to the maximum tax advantage for the business.



Still have a few months to decide before the end of the year. For me it isn't just a matter of buying a truck, I always order, since what I want is rare, then I need to get an upfitter to add the body, etc. , if I get the truck ordered in September, I would be lucky to get it in service by year end.



SHG
 
I have only one piece of information to offer in your decision process.



My '08 3500 C&C has only 12,000 miles on it but has been totally troublefree so far. It has not set a code or shown any symptom of abnormal operation.
 
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