New 6ply K&N for 3rd GEN!

[Heavyweight]

Part Number E-0776 This is totally COOL!

 

[JApol]

K&N seems to have a very bad rep on this board for the filtration quality and ruining (sp) engines. It will probably take some serious testing before people will buy it. Especially when we have proven filtration options available.

 

[Heavyweight]

Supposedly 6 ply,,, Of course nobody is going to like it,,,but it will sell, and sell a lot.

 

[WUnderwood]

I would definately not run a K&N filter on any diesel truck, I have heard too many horror stories about dusting engines, etc, etc.

 

[Heavyweight]

I would not buy one either, especially if I purchased an AFE stage 2!

 

[steved]

Part Number E-0776 This is totally COOL!

And if this is the actual filter, how does it fit a 3rd gen??



That wouldn't even fit my airbox... I take it this is for a K&N intake kit?



steved

 

[nobull60]

I have a K&N cone and down tube to the turbo. I have had it on my truck for over 15K and I checked the inside of the tube on a regular basis. It is as clean as it was when I put it on. No dust, dirt, or any debri inside. The filter does a great job and I love the whine I get from the turbo. So all the K&N haters out there keep hating it but before you diss it further without using one. To just take the word of a few people that probably did not care for it or live in a place that is like a dust bowl, give it a try first before you bash a product that has set the mark for others to follow.



PS... I am not a K&N employee, just a dedicated consumer.

 

[jwilliams3]

Steved,

That is designed to fit in a stock airbox.

The cone points down. Perfect fit and increased air flow.



I would run one since it is cheaper than running a full intake and you keep the stock look.

 

[JCleary]

I have a K&N cone and down tube to the turbo. I have had it on my truck for over 15K and I checked the inside of the tube on a regular basis. It is as clean as it was when I put it on. No dust, dirt, or any debri inside. The filter does a great job and I love the whine I get from the turbo. So all the K&N haters out there keep hating it but before you diss it further without using one. To just take the word of a few people that probably did not care for it or live in a place that is like a dust bowl, give it a try first before you bash a product that has set the mark for others to follow.



PS... I am not a K&N employee, just a dedicated consumer.

Have you ever done an oil analysis?



What are your silicon levels? My AFE PG7 keeps them down to about 5ppm.



IMO it's the only real way to tell how effective an air filter is.

 

[steved]

To be honest, I don't think it was too much the filter media as it was the seal on the K&N...



Personally, I would never run anything that has K&N on it... I was one that found dirt in the intake tube... it was bypassing the filter from a poor seal... I had even installed it with the grease as indicated...



steved

 

[Mark Craig]

nobull60,



You will not ever see any dust inside an intake tube, it's smooth, dry and there is nothing for the dust to collect to/adhere to!! If you have a friend or enemy for that matter that has a 7. 3 Ford and has ran ANY 4 layer filter for 20,000 or more miles you can REALLY see what happens very easily on them. The 7. 3 has a crankcase vent just prior to the turbo air intake, when you wail on it it is sucking air from where ever it can get it, including the crankcase and this leave a nice oily residue in that part of the intake tube. Some of the dirt that gets past the 4 layer filter will collect there and it can get as much as 1/8 of an inch thick if you let it. We always have a nay sayer at shows and we always find a truck with a 4 layer filter in it that has some miles on it and we always take the tubing apart and have the nay sayer run his fingers thru the oil and then rub his fingers together, nice little sand box!!!!!!



Now I know this new K&N is a 6 layer but it's still the same size holes stacked into a tunnell, heck S&B has an 8 layer too, but now you're looking at a very potentially bad restriction too. Probably back to what the stock paper filter woudl flow. Nothing to back that up yet but I bet soon someone will do a flow test.



The ONLY 4 layer that does a respectible job of stopping dirt is the AFE as it has a patented (sp) material that has each layer being a slightly smaller opening in the material, plus they cross stack the layers instaed of using the same size opening material and stacking one hole over another to form a straight thru tunnell. The AFE forces the air to turn in the media and combined with the smaller holes the deeper you go into the filter it stops the dirt.



You can do a similiar deal by using heavy grease in the intake tube of a Dodge/GM to collect the dirt that goes thru.



Remember too a diesel uses 8-10 times the amount of air as a typical gas engine of the same size. For a gas engine the normal 4 layer tunnell type filters do OK and have for years, it's where the DIESEL engine is concerned that matters to us oil burners!!



Mark @ DPPI

 

[steved]

You will not ever see any dust inside an intake tube, it's smooth, dry and there is nothing for the dust to collect to/adhere to!!

Take a white cloth and wipe the inside of the intake tube down and see how much dirt you find... then tell us you won't see it... dirt will adhere to it just from the static charge the air passing through the tube creates.



steved

 

[Tinman]

Man... . I wish someone would come out with a paper element like that. Combine a large paper element like that a PSM Buick intake and you'd have a lot of clean air. :-laf

 

[KB0OU]

399,230 mile on my Cummins, I have run K&N 300,000 of that and I often wonder why my engine has not fallen apart!!!

Of course I do change my oil regularly at 25,000 miles so I guess that is why it is still running. (I do run a bypass oil filter).

I say it is performance that counts, mine works.

John

 

[DPKetchum]

I've read about K&N many times over many years. I used one in my 1993 W250 for 6 years or so. NEVER found a hint of anything on turbo blades or in the tubing. Filter would get NASTY over time. Seemed to work fine. I would think with ALL that has been written about K&N filters in the last years that K&N would have addressed this issue/myth etc. Anyone tried contacting K&N about some facts on their filtering abilitys?Or lack of?

 

[JPereira]

I have used K&N on many cars over the years without any problems. I chose AFE for my CTD as I think it was the best choice.



Could all of the K&N stories of failures be from the area/conditions those users subjected the vehicle to? Very dusty roads all of the time? Filter not installed properly so dirt got by the filter not thru the filter? Same thing for the users of K&N taht say they have not had any problems. Are they running the vehicles in dusty conditions?



I would not change my AFE to K&N as I do believe it is the best choice for my truck but I do presently run a K&N on my wifes durango and have for over 35k.



Jeff

 

[SKneeland]

nobull60,



.



The ONLY 4 layer that does a respectible job of stopping dirt is the AFE as it has a patented (sp) material that has each layer being a slightly smaller opening in the material, plus they cross stack the layers instaed of using the same size opening material and stacking one hole over another to form a straight thru tunnell. The AFE forces the air to turn in the media and combined with the smaller holes the deeper you go into the filter it stops the dirt.



You can do a similiar deal by using heavy grease in the intake tube of a Dodge/GM to collect the dirt that goes thru.



Mark @ DPPI

I just purchased a second AFE cone type filter as the first one was sucking a considerable amount of dust through(a very visible layer all the way through the intake tube up into the turbo)

after running the new one now(i went the extra mile and got the one with the extra inverted cone in the end cap) along with a new pre filter, i am still having the same problem.



4000-5000km since last/first wash(3/4 on very dusty gravel roads), looking very clean & bright after removal of pre filter, can see plenty of sunlight when held up to the light.

my intake tube and turbo once again covered with a very visible layer of dust.

and yes there is a positive seal on all the connections

 

[Buffalo]

I have a '91. 5 W-250, which, I installed a K&N filter on. Heavily greased the seal, also. Found more dust on the intake tube than I was comfortable with.



I notified K&N & they bought the filter back & even offered to compensate me on any damage I thought the filter may have caused. Paid for the shipping, also. Absolutely no problems getting a refund. It was as if they knew there was a problem with, at least, some of their products.



Went back to paper element filters. However, I did lose, at least, 5 lbs. of boost with the paper filters.



In my '03, I installed an AFE ProGuard-7 System. I have checked the intake tube, many times, & it's clean.



I've, also, done oil analysis on the last two oil changes (8000 mile oil change intervals). The first showed 5ppm silicon & the second showed 4 ppm. From what I've read, this is as good as what a paper filter would provide.



My trucks live in the desert Southwest (Phoenix, AZ. ). We have a very dusty, loamy soil, out here. It's very light, like the consistancy of very fine baking flour. That's why we're famous for the beautiful sunsets. It's all the dirt in the air, refracting the sunlight. It's , also, very hard to keep out of your air intake system.



The K&N products, probably, work much better in clean air environments that a lot of you guys live in. But, in severe conditions, the PG-7 has proven, to me, that it works better.



I, sincerely, hope K&N has come up with a better product. More competition is good for the industry. It was a shame to see a large company, like them, hurt their reputation.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[steved]

The short of it is:



The K&N Filter was built for offroad racing... it was meant to provide superior airflow with adequate filtration... most race engines (circle track) only run for a few races then get rebuilt anyway...



It does its intended purpose well. It was not really ever intended for a daily driven street vehicle that someone was expecting to last a long time... although we would like it to perform that role...



steved

 

[DPKetchum]

They build HUNDREDS for every manor of car and truck. I can believe they(K&N)started business in the race arena but have been producing them for general public a long time now. Gotta think if it was as big a problem as suggested thir(K&N)business would not have grown like it has.