New Ford G2 - boy the ad boys love em....

[hammersley]

Go over to http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/2003/ford/superduty/first_drive/page5.html and read the test - this is what it says about the Dodge:



With the other trucks ahead of us by about half a mile we started

chasing after them. The hill is about 10 miles long so we had plenty of

time to catch and pass the Dodge, equipped with a standard 5. 9-liter

Cummins I6 turbo diesel and 4-speed automatic, within about 2 miles

from the start of the hill. Near as we could tell the speed difference

was approximately 18 MPH as we were moving at about 78 MPH. In a

later test when we drove the Dodge ourselves we found its maximum

speed was 60 MPH with the accelerator down to the floor the entire

climb. That's a significant speed difference.



For people upset that we didn't get to run the new 5. 9-liter High

Output Cummins I6 engine against the Power Stroke or the Duramax,

consider the following limitations of the HO Cummins. The HO Cummins

is only available with a manual transmission. About 90% of Power

Stroke sales are automatics. The HO Cummins fails to meet California

emissions and that of two other states. The Power Stroke not only

meets California emissions but as we stated earlier it also meets 2004

federal requirements. We think there will be lots of buyers in California

(the most populous state in the union) who are going to walk out of

Dodge dealerships disappointed after being told the HO Cummins is not

for sale. If Navistar could do this with a diesel, so could Cummins. The

automatic 5. 9-liter Cummins I6 from the factory is not up to the

challenge of the Duramax or the Power Stroke.



and.....



The last head to head contest we performed before heading back to

Vegas was a ¼-mile drag race with 12,000 pound trailers. The results

were the same each and every time. The Ford 6. 0 Liter Power Stroke

won and won by a noticeable amount, finishing the ¼-mile in just over

23 seconds during the best run of the day. If you laid the results out

first through third, the Chevrolet would beat the Dodge and the Power

Stroke beat both.

 

[TxDieselKid]

blah blah blah.

Unless they run the best we have against the best they have, I could care less really. It's like taking the Ford Model A, and running it against a 69 Z28. Not only that but the HO WILL be offered with an auto VERY soon.



I think it was set up to make Ford look better. Doesn't Ford advertise on PUT.com anyways?



Andrew

 

[nickleinonen]

The HO Cummins fails to meet California

emissions and that of two other states.

as long as i can still get a 2004 HO here in canada this does not consern me at all

The Power Stroke not only meets California emissions but as we stated earlier it also meets 2004 federal requirements.

but in doing so, they had to use an egr system. i absolutely hate egr systems in diesels. many people don't like diesels because of the early gm 5. 7L diesels. well, i hate egr's because of the egr system in the light duty 6. 5TD's of which i drive one. i disabled the egr long ago and finally got around to removing the service engine light so it does not tell me that the egr is disabled

 

[LSMITH]

Stock to stock the G2 PSD is going to tromp the standard output Cummins, plain and simple. Their logic in comparing auto transmission to auto transmission is sound, as is stock to stock. The new ISBE HO should be right there with the PSD, but no auto transmission so they win. The DMax will tromp the standard ISB as well.



The new Ford runs really well, and Dodge has some catching up to do plain and simple. I don't see where the beef is?

 

[wcaldwell]

I truly don't care how well or how poorly the Ford Powerstroke or the Chevrolet/GMC Duramax performs. If I had wanted one of those, I would have bought one. I bought my Dodge Cummins because that's what I wanted. It does what I want, when I want, the way I want. Anything else doesn't matter. All three are good trucks - each has it's good points and and each has it's bad points. One more thing - I don't care if they pass me on the hills, mountains, flat interstate, or anywhere else. I am satisfied with what I bought.

 

[LSMITH]

Originally posted by wcaldwell

I truly don't care how well or how poorly the Ford Powerstroke or the Chevrolet/GMC Duramax performs. If I had wanted one of those, I would have bought one. I bought my Dodge Cummins because that's what I wanted. It does what I want, when I want, the way I want. Anything else doesn't matter. All three are good trucks - each has it's good points and and each has it's bad points. One more thing - I don't care if they pass me on the hills, mountains, flat interstate, or anywhere else. I am satisfied with what I bought.

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"The new Ford runs really well, and Dodge has some catching up to do plain and simple. I don't see where the beef is?"



I fully agree - and brand-bashing purely for the SAKE of brand-bashing, is pointless and makes us look like whiny. childish GM owners...



Ford simply has a better product on the road now than we or GM does - it has a look that is at least as good as the Dodge or GM, an automatic transmission that is head-and-shoulders above the DC offering, a neat new variable-pitch turbo that WE can only WISH for, etc. , etc...



It doesn't mean that we have to all run out and trade off our Dodges - I certainly love mine - but I'm ALSO adult and smart enough to openly acknowledge when the competition fields a good product, and Ford has done exactly THAT!



Yeah, we can modify ours with engine and transmission mods to be more competitive - but THEY have access to the same upgrades WE do!



DC had a good thing going for a while - they'd better get busy if they don't wanna get left in the dust...

 

[Motorhead]

Just one question... How long is their engine going to last?

I parallel this to the MBZ 5 cyl turbo diesel. It wasn't the fastest thing but it sure outlasted the others.

 

[CumminFast]

The Cummins still has the low end torque and is more efficient than both Duramax and Ford. If you are buying a diesel for any competition, Cummins wins hands down. Ford upgrades suck although Duramax upgrades are starting to scare me. But the new cummins has the rail system so all is well.

 

[BV]

Okay - So the Ford/Chevy/GMC can pass the Dodge on a hill but I bet the Dodge will still pass them at the fuel pump

 

[John Berger]

I have never been passed when I'm towing and going up a steep grade, by a Ford towing a heavy load. I've passed my share, however. Give the nod to Ford for their transmissions. That's the difference as I see it. Why didn't they compare trucks with manual trannies? Ford makes a good truck, but I'll take any Dodge with a 5 or 6 speed transmission and 4. 10 rear against anything Ford has to offer if I have to move a heavy load through big hills.



Another thing to consider: While contributing to serious wood and testosterone buildup, how many of you really think your drivetrain is going to hold up running steep grades with 10K or more strapped behind you at 70 plus miles an hour. The engine may be just fine, but you're most likely going to wear your transmission out prematurely. I've seen the temps my differential runs at higher speeds with a heavy load. I've hit close to 240 degrees on 90 degree plus days pulling a lot of hills on I-26 in South and North Carolina. I was also running 65 mph or over. Slow down to 60-65 mph, in the same conditions and the highest I ever saw was 215. That kind of temperature difference will add up over time, even with the best gear lubes.