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Well, BoB4X4 just installed new gauges in my truck a few weeks ago. This is the second set that Bob put in a truck for me, and he did his usual terrific job. I went with the dash mounted trio using the faceplate that was in the last TDR issue. It fits nicely over the cubby just under the AC controls, and with a little matching paint, the DiPricols look like they came from the factory.



But what they tell me, is surprising. First, the EGT gauge display goes to 1600* degrees. The red line on the 04. 5' is at about 1450* degrees, per John Homes of Carson Dodge fame. John puts on the monthly seminars at Carson Dodge, and is a wealth of knowledge about our Cummins engines. I just heard his seminar at the Rattlin' Rams truck festival at Foothill Dodge last weekend. John is an impressive guy. The 01' truck I had used to enter the red zone at 1250* degrees. Yes, these new trucks run much hotter, much quicker. Even on the DiPricol gauge, the ticks turn from black to red at 1400*.



The second big surprise was how much boost this truck makes with the stock engine. The 01' I had would top out around 24-26#, and that was with an Edge EZ and a boost elbow. The 04. 5' will run up to 34# of boost, getting on the freeway in 5th gear. I am really glad I bought the 60# boost gauge!



:D If I went with the 30# gauge I had in the 01', the needle would have been pegged half the time! (In fact, Genos should put a disclaimer in the catalog that recommends the 60# gauge for the third gen trucks). The other observation about the boost gauge on this truck, is that the needle JUMPS when the turbo kicks in. The boost gauge needle jumps faster than the tach!



The last gauge is the fuel pressure gauge. It sits pretty solid between 7-10 pounds, regardless of how heavy im into the go pedal. Since the injection pump just has to maintain pressure, it will be much easier on the longevity of the pump. On the 3rd gens the injectors are opened electronically, not by a build up of pressure. The fuel rail maintains a pressure of about 7,500# at idle, and 27,000# at WOT. (This is per BoB4X4, the diesel mechanic at a dealership here by the house. )



The moral to this story is to GET GAUGES. These new trucks are an amazing piece of mechanical wizardry. But knowing what is going on under the hood is invaluable. ;) Sarge



PS: I added a few pics of the gauges and the install pod in my reader rigs photos... ... .
 
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I too was surprised after I installed gauges on my 325/600.



Unloaded, I can hit 32 lbs boost easy, and 1300 degrees. Stock. Now, imagine if I were loaded and towing.



ANY kind of fueling box will require a larger exhaust miminum.
 
Originally posted by Sarge

The installed gauges... .....



how is it to read the gauges from the drivers seat? i am thinking of some more gauges [can never have enough eh :-laf] and that cubby i don't really use... i am thinking of 3 spa's [water temp/oil press, oil temp/fuel press, air pressure/trans temp] now if i can get a good price on them and that mount, i am sold... [the price scares the heck out of me on the gauges]
 
Boy gauges will be about my first addition if I ever get my 05. I can hardly believe those EGT readings. What going to happen to Joe who has no gauges but a 12K trailer, peddle to the medal over some high mountain pass?? Hope DC has lots of spare engines on hand.
 
Do the 305/555 engines run that much boost? I like the look of the 35 lbs gauge better, but will go with the 60 lbs gauge if necessary.
 
Sarge,

Are your new gauges in the cubby canted in the driver's direction? If so, that sure would be easier to read!

The photo gives that impression.
 
I would think the engine can take whatever you can throw at it within the truck's rated capacity. So if it's stock you should be able to tow the max weight up the steepest hills pushing it as hard as it will go. If it couldn't take that they would not be selling them with 100k mile warrantee. Gauges on stock trucks are neat toys to watch and see how different RPMs and pedal presure effects things and maybe see a potential problem if readings start to change from what is normally seen, but I do not think you need to back off with a stock truck. You should not be able to hurt it if you are loaded within the rated capacities. Remember the majority of the buyers of these trucks don't know about the TDR, don't have gauges, never change thier fuel filters and don't know anything about a cool down period after a hard run, if the motors were that fragile and had to be watched very carefully the majority of them would be toast.
 
I totally agree with Bertram. Most drivers of these trucks think they bought a "refrig" and will jost plug it in and forget it. Doc
Originally posted by Bertram65

I would think the engine can take whatever you can throw at it within the truck's rated capacity. So if it's stock you should be able to tow the max weight up the steepest hills pushing it as hard as it will go. If it couldn't take that they would not be selling them with 100k mile warrantee. Gauges on stock trucks are neat toys to watch and see how different RPMs and pedal presure effects things and maybe see a potential problem if readings start to change from what is normally seen, but I do not think you need to back off with a stock truck. You should not be able to hurt it if you are loaded within the rated capacities. Remember the majority of the buyers of these trucks don't know about the TDR, don't have gauges, never change thier fuel filters and don't know anything about a cool down period after a hard run, if the motors were that fragile and had to be watched very carefully the majority of them would be toast.
 
Yes, the gauge pod is canted toward the driver. The reading are easy, and a white face gauge is easy to quickly see against the dark background.



And yes, I agree that for the most part these trucks are bullet proof, when stock. However, the very nature of this web site is guys tinkering with their trucks, in some form or another. If it were true that gauges were not necessary, there would be nothing sticking out of the dash but the steering wheel and a gas gauge. It is ALWAYS better to diagnose an engine if your mechanic can see that the fuel pressure is low, or the boost low ect, ect, ect.



And, most of the guys that buy it, put it in the driveway and never lift the hood, probably don't belong to this web site... ... . :-{}
 
Originally posted by Sarge



The second big surprise was how much boost this truck makes with the stock engine. The 01' I had would top out around 24-26#, and that was with an Edge EZ and a boost elbow. The 04. 5' will run up to 34# of boost, getting on the freeway in 5th gear. I am really glad I bought the 60# boost gauge!



Tests that rule of thumb thing Ive always heard, "1 lb of boost for every 10 hp or so. "
 
Originally posted by CJ8Rockcrawler

Do the 305/555 engines run that much boost? I like the look of the 35 lbs gauge better, but will go with the 60 lbs gauge if necessary.



i have a 305/555 and a 35 psi boost gauge. at full tilt, i can get it up to 25psi boost so stock, a 0-35 gauge is ok. [and i can hit 1250° pyro with bhaf and 5" exhaust :eek:]
 
I just installed my autometer gauges last week with the same center pod mount system from Geno's. We then pulled our 12000# travel trailer from the S. F. Bay area to Bend, Or. For those of you that don't know, I-5 and then US 97 From Weed, Ca to Bend has alot of uphill mt passes. I was shocked to see how hot the EGT ran. I can hit 1250-1300 just pulling away from a stop light, and running level at 60-65 it stays at 1000-1100. Pulling any kind of grade it would stay at a constant 1250-1300 and a very steep grade I would see 1400-1425 easily.

Needless to say I almost worried myself into an ulcer. By the time I was halfway up the Grade between Redding, Ca and Weed, Ca I was seriously wishing that I hadn't bothered getting the gauge in the first place. I have been a member for for a couple of years and had carefully read most of the posts regarding recommended max egt temps so I was very concerned.

My truck is stock with the exception of the Bully dog airbox. My question is, if our trucks run this hot stock what happens when we want to do some bombing? How hot is to hot for these engines? When can I expect to burn a hole in the piston?
 
CJ8, You have to take a look at what you are going to do with the truck, down the road. If you have any thoughts of bombing it any, get the higher range boost gauge. If you leave it stock, go for the 35psi one. Might save you some time and money to go big, unless you know you won't add anything to it, buying another gauge and going through the install again.
 
That is one of the debates that I've been having. Right now, I see no reason to bomb it. I have more than enough power for what I need. Of course, I'm sure I'll get used to it at some point... after I'm out of warranty and THEN I'll start bombing. By that point the stock trucks will come with 500 hp and 1000 ft/lbs of torque from the factory!
 
Originally posted by Sarge

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But what they tell me, is surprising. First, the EGT gauge display goes to 1600* degrees. The red line on the 04. 5' is at about 1450* degrees, per John Homes of Carson Dodge fame. John puts on the monthly seminars at Carson Dodge, and is a wealth of knowledge about our Cummins engines. I just heard his seminar at the Rattlin' Rams truck festival at Foothill Dodge last weekend. John is an impressive guy. The 01' truck I had used to enter the red zone at 1250* degrees. Yes, these new trucks run much hotter, much quicker. Even on the DiPricol gauge, the ticks turn from black to red at 1400*.

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Engines that have aluminum pistons will begin to self destruct if EGT gets above 1250. The CTD does NOT have aluminum pistons. It is an alloy that should be safe at 1500 or so.

Having said that, I will never let mine get above 1400.
 
Sarge, I saw your truck at Foothill Ranch Dodge on Sat 7/17. Your gage mount is very nice, I'm going to duplicate that setup. Thanks for the additional info about the boost pressure, I probably would have ordered the 30# before I saw this. I spoke with Bob about installation and he said he would do it.



-George-
 
I am a little taken aback by my EGT's



I run at 75 MPH at around 750-800 Degrees.



at 65 I have about 625 EGTs...



Now, if I let my engine lug in 6th at 55 MPH then I see EGT's around 800 Degrees again...



I installed my gauges after i had done exhaust nd AFE... so I have litle idea of what they SHOULD be stock...



It just seems wierd that i can't get over 1100 degrees empty, but I can cruise as high as 800 Degrees...



Doug
 
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