New RRT for latest flash

[sag2]

DC released a new RRT yesterday that advises dealers to reflash ALL trucks before sale to the AU level software. So if you have yet to purchase, make sure the dealer performed the RRT and you will minimize the chances of a regeneration or turbo problem. And as I have said several times, if your truck has not been flashed in the last few weeks, you are probably best to get in and have it flashed. Doing so will ensure you have the latest changes just like unsold trucks.

 

[Simplysmn]

does this go for the 08's also or just the 07. 5 trucks mine runs like a top and no problem's so far but its the 08 .

 

[sag2]

It covers 07-08 with no dates listed. The dealer needs to check the software to be sure it is at the latest level. Only difference is 07 needs two flashes, the Bootloader then the normal flash, 08's only need the normal flash.

 

[Jeepstang]

What does the AU flash do? as of 2 days ago there was still no TSB out for it.

I had the dealer do the flash while doing some warranty work.

 

[Bob4x4]

What does the AU flash do? as of 2 days ago there was still no TSB out for it.

I had the dealer do the flash while doing some warranty work.

It is not a TSB It is a rapid response transmital. 55350230au,55350235au,55351230au,55351235au are the ok #s on 2007's

2008 #'s 62350230ag,662350235ag,62351230ag,62351235ag. the 230#s are for 6 spds and 235#s are for autos IIRC



Bob

 

[Wolfy]

It is not a TSB It is a rapid response transmital. 55350230au,55350235au,55351230au,55351235au are the ok #s on 2007's

2008 #'s 62350230ag,662350235ag,62351230ag,62351235ag. the 230#s are for 6 spds and 235#s are for autos IIRC



Bob

Thanks, but the question was "What does it DO?"



OK, ... RRT, not TSB. So much for what it is.



By whatever title, there is a "flash" service associated with it.



What does it (supposedly) do?



Don't mean to sound irritated,... but I dislike having to dig for presumably important info that I believe should be READILY available to owners.

 

[Bob4x4]

Thanks, but the question was "What does it DO?"



OK, ... RRT, not TSB. So much for what it is.



By whatever title, there is a "flash" service associated with it.



What does it (supposedly) do?



Don't mean to sound irritated,... but I dislike having to dig for presumably important info that I believe should be READILY available to owners.

:-laf I know inquiring minds want to know. Apparently the AT software did not fix the regen and possibly other issues... ... ... . so back to the drawing board and we now have the AU and Ag

P. S,,,,,,,,,if Dodge wanted you to know they would have called you up and explained it in great detail

Bob

 

[Wolfy]

P. S,,,,,,,,,if Dodge wanted you to know they would have called you up and explained it in great detail

Bob

Bob, I find it "interesting" that since my purchase Dodge has managed to take the trouble to send me a number of advertisements, hoping to sell me ANOTHER of their fine vehicles,... but can't be bothered to let me know that there is a supposedly helpful flash which can be applied to the one I(we all) have already paid them +/- $50,000 for.



If you have some "inside" understanding of the reasoning behind this I, and I'm sure other members as well, would appreciate your sharing it.



The fact that an owner has to chase down info on TDR and other sources to find out what can (and should!) be done to get the performance we have paid for out of these new rigs is not a credit to D/C.



If they have a service procedure available that they know is likely to help with the new technology "bugs", they owe it to their customers to let it be known, loud and clear. IMO it's just that simple.

 

[courierdog]

I agree with Wolfy. I think this is part of the Chrysler Culture and one of the big reasons Daimler bailed on them. Trying to change certain attitudes in Chrysler was far more difficult than they had anticipated. While I do believe there are many things Daimler did manage to change for the better there is much to do and Wolfy has hit the nail on the head. There are simple things like making known on a wide scale the little things the company can do to make changes to the vehicle you currently own and doing follow up to keep you the paying customer happy (Not many of us pay cash for our Dodge/Cummins) Microsoft learned this and why can't Chrysler. These fly by wire vehicles can always be improved for a few dollars more, so why not make it part of the business plan.

 

[Lsfarm]

courierdog, Daimler did not bail on Chrysler. Daimler sucked all the blood out of Chrysler that it could and put the remaining carcass up for sale. Chrysler had 9. 3 BILLION in CASH in the banks at the time of the 'merger of equals'. That cash went to Germany. Then Daimler tried to learn how to sell 'average cars/trucks' to the average consumer. Not luxury cars to 'who care$' purchasers.



The warantee and service policies that Chrylser/Dodge exercise start at the top. If Daimler had been some form of 'saintly overseer' then this policy would have changed after the 'merger'. It has not, in fact it appears that the policies got worse.



There are a few good dealers out there that because of the direction by the dealer owner, still provide good customer service and warantee service, but have to battle with 'mother chrysler' to get paid for the warantee work.



I'm hoping that with the new majority ownership that good service and good warantee work will start to be the policy. THAT would bring customers back in droves!!



Ls

 

[courierdog]

While we have a difference of opinion is true, I believe the current buyers, based on past performance, will strip and burn Chrysler, NOT a good thing.

I would not have bought a Dodge even with the Cummins engine, at any price had it been the Old pre Daimler days. The Warranty here in Canada has improved 10 fold and the product has improved to the point of being a totally different vehicle.
Daimler worked with Cummins to improve the fuel delivery system and holds all the patents on the DPF which Cummins/Fleetguard manufactures under licence. Daimler could have chosen to use a Detrot Engine as opposed to choosing to remain with Cummins. I am quite happy with the Dodge/Cummins even with the current faults of the emissions equipment. I chose the Dodge Ram over the Sprinter because of the wide range of 3rd party options and OPEN forum discussions especially here on TDR. I had to choose between the German Over Engineered approach as opposed to the Brute Force American approach due to the demands of my current work, which demands a rugged, reliable, all weather, high milage vehicle. I think my choice was well founded and even with the current issues I have not missed a delivery. MOST IMPORTANT my wife like the ride and comes with me on the long drives.

 

[Lsfarm]

I guess my perspective is from the inside. I worked for Chrysler, which became DaimlerChrysler [damn-near-Chrysler] but my job was awarded to a german national who was less experienced, and less qualified but held a german passport.

I watched all this unfold. I met with the people involved, and who were involved and pushed out. I have NO love for the Daimler folks. Their 'overengineering' does not apply here in the states. They were NOTHING but corporate raiders.



Daimler looked at the Detroit, but Detroit's available products wouldn't work, and they didn't want to spend the $$ to engineer a new small engine. Especially with the good history and reputation that Cummins has in the Dodge truck.



I'm glad to hear that warantee service has improved in Canada, it hasn't here in the states. The new 3rd gen trucks are nice. But I disagree with your statement about buying a CTD from Chrysler prior to the Daimler Debacle. I was personally involved in some of the testing of the new products for the Ram CTD, and believe me, Dodge wanted to make it right!! There was a lot of pride in the engineering of the product.



EVERY truck or car has it's issues, EVERY single one. The older trucks had theirs, the new truck have 'em too. I tinker on a lot of them, and they all have issues. Some more than others.



I'm pleased to hear that your vehicle has worked for you. I hope the best for the whole auto industry. But I fear that it has seen it's peak and it is all downhill from here.



LS

 

[Bob4x4]

Bob, I find it "interesting" that since my purchase Dodge has managed to take the trouble to send me a number of advertisements, hoping to sell me ANOTHER of their fine vehicles,... but can't be bothered to let me know that there is a supposedly helpful flash which can be applied to the one I(we all) have already paid them +/- $50,000 for.



If you have some "inside" understanding of the reasoning behind this I, and I'm sure other members as well, would appreciate your sharing it.



The fact that an owner has to chase down info on TDR and other sources to find out what can (and should!) be done to get the performance we have paid for out of these new rigs is not a credit to D/C.



If they have a service procedure available that they know is likely to help with the new technology "bugs", they owe it to their customers to let it be known, loud and clear. IMO it's just that simple.

Dodge may well make a recall out of the rrt,right now they are probably unsure of even this latest up-date since the last one did not do the trick. My guess is they are trying to jump through some hoops in a big hurry to find a real fix for the lowest expense.

I seriously doubt any other auto builder would do much better in this situation

Remember also that most people on this board are not typical consumers. The majority of new truck buyers just use their trucks,not sit in front of a computer trying to learn all it's short commings





Bob

 

[courierdog]

Bob: I think you are right. The level of people on this board are much above average in so many ways. The Depth of Personal and Educational experience of the members is what makes this forum so different from others. As to the possible recall I would hold your breath, however it would be a nice dream to live.

 

[Wolfy]

... most people on this board are not typical consumers. The majority of new truck buyers just use their trucks, not sit in front of a computer trying to learn all it's short commings

Bob

Bob: I think you are right. The level of people on this board are much above average in so many ways. The Depth of Personal and Educational experience of the members is what makes this forum so different from others. ...

Yes, as Bob points out, he and we other TDR members are fortunate to have a bit of time to invest in educating ourselves about these newly complex and expensive machines, for which we early-adopters are the test group. Some systems are as yet unproven, i. e. the "proving" is taking place now, and it seems the reasonable and intelligent thing to do is to take advantage of forums such as this one, to stay on top of developments.



Happily there are many posts which inform us of the good points about these rigs, as well as those which address any short-commings.



At 66, the time I have available to "sit in front of " this computer, trying indeed to learn, is the result of being retired after a long career of often unpleasant work, and I wish those with no time for such learning a bit more leisure at some point in their future.



If they are simply disinterested, ... that is a different kind of problem.

 

[courierdog]

I am very glad to see I am not the only person of Senior Status.
I joke with many of my friends that I am now a card carrying old fogey.
I have a letter of congratulations from our Prime Minister for reaching 65 years and the next day my new Old Age Social Security card arrived. I find being active on the internet as well as having a pass time (Hot Shot/Courier) keeps me busy and alive. Since being retired and the level of my activity I do not know where I found time to work before retirement. ha ha

 

[Wolfy]

I am very glad to see I am not the only person of Senior Status.

I joke with many of my friends that I am now a card carrying old fogey.

I have a letter of congratulations from our Prime Minister for reaching 65 years and the next day my new Old Age Social Security card arrived. I find being active on the internet as well as having a pass time (Hot Shot/Courier) keeps me busy and alive. Since being retired and the level of my activity I do not know where I found time to work before retirement. ha ha

My card says "Curmudgeon", which I believe translates loosely as "Fogey, or Fuddy-Duddy with a dash of grumpiness. " (Perhaps evident in our recent PM exchange



I definitely agree about the insufficient time. I will certainly die with my to-do list unfinished.



Purchasing this truck has not helped.



No way I can relate to those who go-back-to-work(at a job) "for something to do".

 

[courierdog]

Wolfy: I have several friends who retired and did what retired people do and I also know those who consult and those who changed direction like myself.
The retired ones now after 6 years look old and falling apart.
The consultants look totally drained and worn out
The people like my self who changed direction all have a new lease on life and are enjoying every moment. Look at it this way, I have a company who pays me to drive my new Dodge Ram/Cummins, how good is that!!

 

[Jeepstang]

It has been about a week since the AU flash was done

both the tech who is a friend of mine and myself beileve that the flash keeps the exhaust brake on slightly all the time. I notice it feels like it's dragging some when i let off the gas pedal. He thinks this was their solution to keep the actuator from sooting up and throwing the code. Other than that I have not noticed anything different and I have not put many miles on it to determine anything more. It would be nice to see what this flash does in writing though.

 

[Prairiedog]

My Thoughts

This is what I've seen since the AU reflash. No lights yet, no codes yet but my overhead reads 20. 7 mpg at 65 mph. This is a change from the 16. 2 mpg @ 65 mph. Hand calculator still shows 15. 8--this has not changed. This also sucks big time