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Steve St.Laurent

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Hardware ordered, hosting site chosen, and todays server crash

UPDATE: New server install delayed until April 22.



As things usually work, Murphy's Law has struck us - not once, but twice. One of the two new servers is completed and ready to ship. The second server, however, has been delayed while the manufacturer waits for a backordered RAID SCSI controller. The servers are now scheduled to ship on Tuesday of next week.



Additionally, based on information we received after-the-fact, we have decided to locate our servers at an alternate facility. Contracts with the new facility are now in place, and they will have our cabinet ready for installation on April 17. We expect testing to begin on the new equipment on Wednesday or Thursday of next week with the goal of moving the entire site over to the new equipment next weekend.



Thank you for your continued patience while we make this move.



Cross your fingers that Murphy doesn't strike again!



Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator



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As many of you are probably aware there was a MAJOR server crash this morning. Our infamous cascade failure bit us again this morning and when the server was rebooted the entire file system on the server was corrupted. Technicians at VERIO (our current host) along with our webmaster worked all day on getting the file system repaired and got the site back up around 4:00 pm eastern time. For an explanation of the reason that crash happened look at this announcement ( https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/announcement.php?s=&forumid=26 ). Our hope was that turning the Avatars off and disabling the search would enable the current system to run until the new servers are in place. Unforetunately, although it did help it looks like we're going to still have some server busy messages along with crashes until they are in place.



Now for the good news, a co-location facility has been chosen to host the new servers. I spoke with a webmaster today that is running the same version of vBulletin as we are and he has up to 1500 simultaneous users on his system. We are configuring the new servers based on his system because we know it works, except that we are buying even more power (he has dual 1 Ghz CPU's we are buying dual 1. 9 Ghz CPU's, and he has 10,000 rpm drives we are buying 15,000 rpm drives). The TDR is also hiring him as a consultant to look the system over and help with configuring it to be absolutely sure it's set up correctly. Also, an order was placed for the new servers today. There will be two identical servers on the new system. One will be a database server with the other one serving up the web pages (as well as backing up the database). Here's the specs:



Rack mount case with extra fans

Dual AMD Athlon 1900+ MP processors

Tyan S2462 dual processor motherboard

2 GB ECC RAM (error correcting)

4 - 18. 2G 15,000 RPM Ultra 160 SCSI HD's (full RAID 5 array with 1 standby HD) - hot swappable

128MB Caching RAID 5 SCSI Controller

Dual hot swappable power supplies

Dual - 1 Gbit network cards

Redhat Linux 7. 2

Tape backup



This is a $10,000 investment in hardware - and it's not easy to spend that much on hardware. As said above the site that we are modeling this off of is supporting up to 1,500 simultaneous users (our current peak is around 250) and that's with dual 1 Ghz processors and 10,000 rpm drives. Our systems will be almost twice that speed and the drives will also be significantly faster. These systems should be in our hands by the end of the week and will be undergoing testing and configuration next week. They should be online and operating by the 15th of this month. Thanks again for your continued patience, we will do our best to keep the site up and running.



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator
 
Good Job!!!

Sounds like one helluva set-up.



All the hard work and headaches are appreciated.



You guys take server BOMBing to the extreme.
 
Steve not to be picky... ... but just curious, is it the AMD Athlon MP 1900+ (which runs at 1. 6Ghz)??? Or is it an actualy Athlon MP that runs at 1. 9Ghz? Like I said just curious, it it does run at 1. 9Ghz... where can I get an XP version of it? ;)



I have a AMD Athlon XP 1900+ sitting here... . wish I would have waited a couple of weeks and got the 2000+. Oh and now I just looked, I see the XP 2100+ is out (1. 73 Ghz).
 
Yahoo! TDR will be a big bad Dodge site when all this is in place - No complaints from me - besides, the server crash gave me some time off work :D



Doc
 
It's actually on 2. 3 right now Tim - just doesn't say it at the bottom for some reason. 2. 4 has a security bug that until it's fixed won't be used here.



-Steve
 
Hey, that is the system I am planning on building for my personnal use (except for the Raid setup). Good choice on MB and Processors. Ummmm Gigabit ethernet... .



Morph.
 
Steve,

If you are really getting serious about this you should be contacting your local IBMsales representative. I am sure that IBM has someything much more stable than what you are contemplating. The certainly hope you are choosing Adaptec SCSI controlers and IBM drives.

Please do not take this the wrong way, just suggesting. I know that IBM can come close to that price.

Regards and good luck

Kraut67M
 
Kraut we looked at a number of hardware providers including Dell and Compaq just to name a couple, Dell wanted $9,500 for a system less capable than these, Compaq wanted $10,500. I didn't price IBM at the time but just did and for a 1. 4 Ghz system with no caching controller (not even offered) they want $8,500 each (the controller costs about $1000 alone). I have been designing and building hardware since the late 80's. We've been researching this for a couple of weeks and the decision's been made and the hardware is being built as we speak. We got a ton of performance for the money invested (would have been close to double the cost through the other vendors mentioned) and it's a company local to the hosting site so support shouldn't be a problem either. It wasn't taken the wrong way btw. But with 4 hard drives backing each other up and hot swappable and two power supplies backing each other up plus the web server backing up the database server as well - plus nightly tape backups stability shouldn't be an issue. I have Novell servers with clients of mine that only have RAID 5 (no hot swap, no redundant power supplies, etc) that have been up and running for over 2 years with no reboots.
 
Nice Job Admins.



I too work in the ITS field, and can attest to the time & "Learned Lessons" it takes to provide reliable service.



It is sometimes a thankless job, but youre doing a 1st class job. It gets easier.



-Phil
 
Steve,

Sounds like you all have a great plan, just keep HVAC away from the CPU clock settings... :D



DavidVT



ps: (the offer stands if you all ever want to explore something like that)
 
Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent

Kraut we looked at a number of hardware providers including Dell and Compaq just to name a couple, Dell wanted $9,500 for a system less capable than these, Compaq wanted $10,500



Being that I do tons of server work... I have to say from experience. I sure hope you didn't go with the Dell setup.



I am currently running 6 Dell web servers for a client that holds over 7 TB of data. Dell claims that their drives and servers are hot swappable, but in actuality they are not. I have had 4 Dell techs tell me that I was lying about their servers not being hot swappable. That is until everyone of them went to my CO-LO and I proved them to be idiots.



Dell Hardware has issues!!! If you use the 660 Arrays with the 224's, you actually have to cycle the arrays 1 at a time, as they find their drives. Normally it takes 35 minutes to turn on 4 arrays!!! Talk about poor hardware.



If you are looking for a TRUE Hot swappable system, your best bet is to go with Compaq Proliants!!!! No questions asked.



JMHO



Kev
 
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Power To The People Baby

Congratulations and have fun with all the goodies. Nice to have you minding the store Steve.



- - - - - - - - - - - AMD Athlons Rule - - - - - - - - - -
 
Giga what, snot swaper, cp who? aint shur bout all iss here puter stuff but sounds like yalll do guess i ortta stay out ov it.



Sounds like Steve and the rest of the crew have got it coverd,good luck or good work dont know which is in order here. LOL:p
 
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