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Fans & cool!!!!!!!!!!!

Dem new servers and power fans musta been causing the "winds & Fire(s)" here in NM. ;)



Hope that all the problems with the upgrades are smaler than the oters we have seen in the past... . GUD WRK to all the TDR STAFF (dis-staff also!!).



Thanks for your continued VOL ASSISTANCE that keeps the site what its meant 2B... ... ... ... ... ... .





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One thing to look at in the future might be IDE raid 5. Performance is pretty good. look at www.3ware.com. SCSI is however the standard. I have only started putting out raid 5 arrarys based on IDE, but they have been good. I am also in the redhat 7. 2 world running with mysql. IDE raid is coming of age.
 
SCSI

SCSI, on average, is about 10%-15% faster for the same drive/spindle/head spec. Less CPU overhead, more compatible... . and usually much better quality adapters (you don't pay $1100 for a single 128 MB caching controller for nothing). We're not getting just RAID 5, we're getting RAID 5 with a 128 megabyte caching controller. Basically, database disk writes will be limited only by bus speed, not the drive speed.



Our goal wasn't to save money (but it wasn't to throw it away either), it was to get the best performance possible... our hardware expenses doubled in the last 3 weeks in this quest... Every step IDE makes for speed and capacity is usually preceeded by SCSI.
 
Glad to see my $35 going to good use! That is like 4 of my computers you are making:eek:



I just bought a laptop pentium 3 1. 06 Gig hz 20 gig HD 256 ram, CD/DVD drive, swap bay, 14" monitor for $1400



Not bad huh?
 
A little premature...

Not trying to put you off but its a little premature for us to make any decisions until we're done with this issue. We'll know after the upgrade what we can do.
 
very nice!

Very nice setup! As someone who's run Linux since the 0. 9 days, I'm curious: What brands of SCSI controllers, SCSI disks, and network stuff did you end up buying? And what kind of tape drive?



From one post, it sounded like you were going to run FreeBSD for the DB, and Linux for the web serving. The start of this thread says two RedHat boxes. What was the final config?



I run <b>only</b> SCSI at home for anything that needs speed and reliability. And everything is RAID5'd. I'm so glad to see you guys making the same decisions! :)



And who did you end up CoLo'ing with?



Sorry for all the questions! I just get so excited by powerful hardware. :D
 
Re: very nice!

Adaptec controllers, Seagate drives, 3COM Network cards. Tape drive unit is being ordered seperately today, have not made a final decision yet but most likely an HP DAT drive.



Two Redhat boxes. Apparently, BSD will not solve the problems but a REALLY fast I/O interface will (hence the 128 Meg caching controller).



We're co-locating in the largest facility in the southeast. Over 300,000 sq foot facility with 175,000 of that as the raise floor server room! The facility has their own power generators, 250,000 gallons of diesel fuel and 3 million gallons of stored water to run the AC if a water main breaks. The company is ITC EDeltaCom. www.edeltacom.com This facility, quite literally, is second to none. We're leasing an entire half cabinet which can hold 24 1U units. We'll be using 4U plus a 3rd Linux box on a "shelf" as our firewall so we'll have plenty of room for growth.
 
Re: Re: very nice!

Originally posted by admin

The facility has their own power generators, 250,000 gallons of diesel fuel...



Hehe,, We aren't the only people with Diesel in our blood,,,



Can't wait guys,, this is cool,,



Merrick Cummings Jr
 
A few comments since this is something I do.



We have 11 Dell servers and have been very happy with them. We've had no trouble with them at all. Also, if you get them on the phone you can negotiate the price down. I've had them match memory prices with the best I could find on the web. Recently we found a local vendor for servers that can get our Sun and Dell gear for a better price than I've ever been able to get.



Also, one thing to keep in mind with regards to the extra expense with Dell or Compaq (or Sun, IBM, etc. ) is the service contract. We get 4-hour service contracts for our datacenter-based servers (they usually include next business day for no cost). This is very valuable--I've not had to use it except once (just recently actually) on a Dell laptop and it worked as advertised. They'll send someone out to replace hardware on 4-hour notice any time of the day--and it seems servers always konk out at 3 in the morning.



Now, for a backup machine I do have a Tyan-based Athlon 1600+ MP system with a 3Ware IDE RAID controller and 6 Maxtor 100-GB drives in 3Ware hot-swap drive trays. Most excellent system. I have had one drive fail--I'm running it in RAID 5 with one hot spare--but it was replaced under Maxtor's warranty. For this machine RAID 5 is fine but for a production machine by all means use RAID 10. Use good cooling fans on the CPU though and make sure you have enough power. During testing I started the machine up, put Seti@home on it and watched the load of the machine rise until - poof - the circuit breaker on my 650 VA UPS blew. Man, those things do draw the power. I'm using a Lian-Li server case and won't use anything else from now on for machines I build myself.



BTW, most of our machine run RedHat 7. 2--some of the older ones run are on 6. 2 and a few on FreeBSD. I had the dual Athlon on Suse for awhile but I couldn't get used to it and put Red Hat on it (it has a SCSI boot disk so I can do this without disturbing the data on the RAID array).



BTW, with regards to SCSI drives: for years I've not had a disk fail until the past few months. I upgraded one of our older Dell servers with 4 IBM 15k RPM 160 drives and had two of them fail within 2 weeks. The hard drive on the above Dell laptop (also fairly new) was IBM (and replaced by Dell with a Hitachi) and I've had an IBM drive in a Sun die, too. Bad luck.



Since I had replaced the drives in the Dell server myself the support contract didn't apply--I didn't have two spares of this size disk on hand and my customer on that machine wasn't willing to wait 14 days for IBM to replace it under warranty--so I ordered new Seagate 15k RPM SCSI 320 drives. Perfect. And much better performance than I was getting with the IBMs, too.



Also on the Dell servers--it's true you can't just yank disks out of a running machine. But you can use the afacli utility to remove a disk from the RAID container then remove the drive, replace it, and rebuild the array--all while the machine is running--at least on Linux and FreeBSD. I've tested this--it works. You might have to open the case, though--our 2U servers have a "pin" though the drive cages that have to be removed before you can release the drives--I normally leave the "pins" out so I won't have to mess with them if a drive fails.
 
What is the status???

It's now the 24th of April... any updates of the progress or a new date? I'm waiting so I can do some searches for some questions I have that I'm sure that have been answered before...
 
If it had been a snake it would have bitten ya!

See the thread "Server Update" at the top of this forum section.
 
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