New stumbling when taking off from a stop, ’05 325/600

[rjohnson916]

Was driving my ’05 CTD 2500 last week when it stumbled leaving a light under moderate acceleration. My programmer (Edge/Juice-Attitude) was on the stock setting. I looked back when it happened, there was some black smoke left behind at the intersection, the truck cleared up what ever caused it to stumble and I was on my way. Well some 3-4 days later today, the truck stumbled four times, same scenario leaving a traffic light under moderate to hard acceleration. Leaves a choking black cloud of smoke then takes off business as usual? My truck has 43K on the ticker; I checked codes three times over the last 48 hours, there are no codes thrown. Today I stopped by Wally-World and purchased the 32oz of Power service and the smaller bottle and the smaller bottle of MMO. I poured the hole bottle in, un screwed the fuel separator and did the same thing, truck runs a little better and I have not been able to get it to duplicate the stalling. I’ve only driven the truck maybe 10-15 miles since the fuel additive, so I don’t know if I cured some bad fuel in the tank? Or dare I say is my CP3 I think it’s called or lift pump in the early stages of signing out? Either way I’m open to the suggestions or opinions from the experts on this fabulous site.



Thanks again in advance



-Ryan

 

[rjohnson916]

Well it's been over 92 miles + lots of stop & go, freeway and long steep grade pulls with my 5K lb Haulmark enclosed work trailer. This is since draining my fuel/ water separator and thus filling it with straight 100% Powerservice, then dumping 32oz of Powerservice mixed with MMO into a full tank of fuel. My truck has not stumbled once ***Knocks on Wood*** if anything it's running better than it did from day one for some reason. Referencing my Attitude monitor the idle jumps between a clean 749-750-751, before it would idle 745-749-752 or within that range for comparison, in other words there is 0% vibration at idle, it started very quickly and clean over the last day or so as well. I will be using the truck again hard for work all day tomorrow, so will see if she misses a beat or not. I'm convinced I got some bad diesel or water, but whats really weird is it only choked from a dead stop and once after slowing from about 45 mph and then I had to hit it & go type of scenario?



-Ryan

 

[DPKetchum]

If it starts it again after a tank without additives it has a problem and the additives is lubing it up.

 

[rjohnson916]

If it starts it again after a tank without additives it has a problem and the additives is lubing it up.

If you had to guess at it, what component is sticking or locking up or otherwise do you think is being starved of proper lubrication? I am currently in the process of going through the fuel that's currently in the tank now, then will fill up again from another station, and hold back on the additive and see if it misses again.



-Ryan

 

[rjohnson916]

Also I'm going to be upset if this is the start of problems to come due to ULSD here in California.



-Ryan

 

[DPKetchum]

Oh heck. FICD is that correct? Had a friends 03 that would stumble,idle would surge etc. If he ran a good dose of condintioner it would clear up. Since then I've read that D. C. engeineering says part of diagnoising the FICD? Is eaither a slug of two stroke oil or a fuel conditioner and if it clears up then comes back on the next tank or so with out anything thats whats bad. The valve on the lower right on the injection pump. Next to the cam sensor. My buddys would run great as long as any fuel conditioner used but Lucas. Then withen a tank of not using anything symptoms would return.

 

[rjohnson916]

Thanks for the advise and your suggestion, very much appreciated. I've had this truck almost two years next month. Although I think I know quite a bit about it, I find something or learn something new about these diesel engines.





-Ryan

 

[cerberusiam]

Oh heck. FICD is that correct?

FCA - Fuel Control Actuator. Electro-mechanical device that controls routing of fuel to the rail or return to the tank. Yeah, that don't bode well for the ULSD.



Ryan, if it helps your not the only one seeing that problem.

 

[DPKetchum]

FCA yea thats it THANKS. In fact knew that brain was stuck,LOL

 

[rjohnson916]

Ok..... sorry to bring this month old topic back up, but... ... I have since gone through perhaps x3. 5 full tanks of fuel maybe more and some 2000+ miles since I added the full 96oz Powerservice treatment to the tank and the smaller to the fuel/ water separator. Anyway today at the most random situation, mind you my CTD is my "work-truck" now and it gets driven hard day in day out, I've got 45K on the clock and it stumbled again today after driving for about 2 minutes leaving a customers house, came to a stop sign went to take off and a slight pause then I took off like normal. Drove for another 10 blocks, stopped got back in the truck left 1/4 mile or so down the road where a stop sign starts on a hill, went to take off with a car behind me. Truck falls on it's self basically stumbled, car behind almost hits me. . then off I went, I've put maybe 80+ miles on it since and it hasn't done it again. I've been driving the snot out of it since trying to get it to do it. I checked codes again & nothing... . no codes no cell... .



? Can a CTD have a problem and not throw a code?



? If I made an appointment w/ dealer can they review any operating history and see where the stumbling occurred and what caused it, or am I wasting time with diag time?



? Sould I start throwing my own money at this problem, and start replacing or adding a FASS or AIRDOG system or perhaps an aftermarket CP3 and hope one or the other is the cure? I do have an Edge Juice/ Attitude but have had it set on the "stock" setting for over the past month. I can't think of anything else to do or check? It does fix the problem when I add Powerservice to the tank though, or at least it doesn't do it until I'm through a second+ full tank of fuel without any additive. I blame this ULSD crap we have here in California, but I'm thinking it's my truck too.



P. S. If I can't fix this or figure it out, since this truck is my bread & butter if it's down or ain't working I'm not eating... . ... . . it might get replaced with I don't want to say but a new Tee-OTA and I don't want to go that route, but geeze don't they make a bullet proof work truck. I wanted my fleet "All-American" got rid of my previous Toyota's, not because they broke, but because they couldn't pull anything well, or haul a load well in the box and were smaller and not too safe. I've been happy with this Dodge and the two Silverado's I have, My Dodge more so... But If this is what I have to expect, I will live with in underpowered foreign brand, if it means it keep clothes on my back and food on the table.



-Ryan

 

[CUMMINZ]

Engine service today

My oil change jockey came into me today and showed me a gallon of new Texaco diesel engine oil that is out now special formulated for 2007 engines using the new diesel fuel. He said Mobil (which I use) is also formulating the Mobil 1 syn. for 2007 engines and will be out soon. Sounds like many of us have had trouble with fuel and many questions about 2007 will bring.

 

[lil red cummins]

ryan, this is definately a frustrating problem. my first thought is to remove the edge system completely and see what happens. i don't have any first hand knowledge with their system, but i did have a similar problem with my TST box early on. it was related to their wiring harness. it would stumble off idle if i lugged it down to 600 rpm or so.



not sure if this is related to your problem at all, but if you can live without the edge for a while, thats what i would try. have you tried contacting someone at edge to see if they have heard of this type of problem related to their box?



hope this helps



jim

 

[robertyoke]

have you checked your transfer pump pressure? the cp3 will pull fuel from the tank but it wont like it. when I lost my transfer pumps the truck drove home but sputtered and blew black smoke in clouds then ran fine for a little while then more smoke.

-robert