New truck with a problem

[HMathews]

I see two of the members saying no problems and they have only 10k miles. I hope your truck runs fine without any of the problems any others are having . But the reality is it's just a matter of time and 10k is not that many miles. Also I failed to state earlier that the trucks that have problems are the 2007. 5 and the early 2008 models. They supposedly "fixed" these issues on the late 2008 ones, but I have heard quite a few having issues there as well. Good luck with yours... !

 

[HBarlow]

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Maybe these trucks should have been driven on the road before being released to the public because one thing's is for sure, these trucks ain't cheap.

I don't know what Dodge/Cummins did before the 6. 7 engine was released but I can tell you what they normally do. I was in Columbus, IN in the summer of 2002 for the big TDR Rally sponsored by the Cummins Mid-Range Engine Plant before the new common rail engines were released.



Cummins has several new '03 trucks, loaded to their maximum rated gross vehicle weight, pulling trailers on a 24 hour basis around central Indiana with company drivers in order to run up at least 100,000 miles on each before the trucks were released to dealers.



Cummins and their products are not perfect but I can tell you they have some very savvy engineers and production people designing, building, and testing these engines long before we ever drive one.

 

[Dobeman]

I don't know what Dodge/Cummins did before the 6. 7 engine was released but I can tell you what they normally do. I was in Columbus, IN in the summer of 2002 for the big TDR Rally sponsored by the Cummins Mid-Range Engine Plant before the new common rail engines were released.

Cummins has several new '03 trucks, loaded to their maximum rated gross vehicle weight, pulling trailers on a 24 hour basis around central Indiana with company drivers in order to run up at least 100,000 miles on each before the trucks were released to dealers.

Cummins and their products are not perfect but I can tell you they have some very savvy engineers and production people designing, building, and testing these engines long before we ever drive one.

My post wasn't questioning Cummins quality. This may hurt some peoples feelings but I didn't buy a Dodge. I bought a Cummins. If the Cummins engine would have been in a Ford, Chevy, Nissan. Toyota or Honda that's what I would be driving.
I'm questioning the real world testing done based on the driving behavior of the typical owner of a 2500 and 3500 and to me

loaded to their maximum rated gross vehicle weight, pulling trailers on a 24 hour basis around central Indiana with company drivers in order to run up at least 100,000 miles on each before the trucks were released to dealers.

isn't real world for the typical person who buys one. To me that is just one test that should be done.
As the owner of a landscaping business and a rancher I don't need the capabilities of a 3500 on a daily basis but there are things I have to do that a 1/2 ton isn't built for and I, my friends, family, employee's and livestock like the room of the QC Long Bed, along with the stability of the DRW.

I still own a 04 Nissan Titan with 119,000 miles that I probably should be driving when I'm not pulling a load but what can I say I really love my 3500 and I don't think it's asking to much to be able to drive my $50,000 truck 6 days a week, unloaded, without it throwing a code or sooting up my EGR or Turbo necessitating me having to go in for service every 3 months for a reflash or cleaning... ... ... ... ... . do you?

 

[lpagano]

I run my truck unloaded, every day most of the time, with the exhaust brake always on, which may help prevent the P2262 code. As for the P0402 EGR code, when does it occur?

 

[HBarlow]

My post wasn't questioning Cummins quality. This may hurt some peoples feelings but I didn't buy a Dodge. I bought a Cummins. If the Cummins engine would have been in a Ford, Chevy, Nissan. Toyota or Honda that's what I would be driving.

I'm questioning the real world testing done based on the driving behavior of the typical owner of a 2500 and 3500 and to me isn't real world for the typical person who buys one. To me that is just one test that should be done.

As the owner of a landscaping business and a rancher I don't need the capabilities of a 3500 on a daily basis but there are things I have to do that a 1/2 ton isn't built for and I, my friends, family, employee's and livestock like the room of the QC Long Bed, along with the stability of the DRW.



I still own a 04 Nissan Titan with 119,000 miles that I probably should be driving when I'm not pulling a load but what can I say I really love my 3500 and I don't think it's asking to much to be able to drive my $50,000 truck 6 days a week, unloaded, without it throwing a code or sooting up my EGR or Turbo necessitating me having to go in for service every 3 months for a reflash or cleaning... ... ... ... ... . do you?

You have the absolute right to buy and drive whatever you wish. It is probably not a good idea though to drive one of the new 2010 emissions trucks around town everyday when your requirements include start, drive a short distance, then shut it off again. That operating mode probably doesn't allow the engine to perform the necessary regeneration.



I don't like the restrictive and more trouble prone emission controls any more than you do, it was forced on the manufacturers by the idiot bureaucrats in the EPA. Any of the 5. 9 engines would have been troublefree for a lifetime of your driving style. Unfortunately, the new emission compliant engines may not be.

 

[grasmo]

Well said!

 

[HBarlow]

I see two of the members saying no problems and they have only 10k miles. I hope your truck runs fine without any of the problems any others are having . But the reality is it's just a matter of time and 10k is not that many miles. Also I failed to state earlier that the trucks that have problems are the 2007. 5 and the early 2008 models. They supposedly "fixed" these issues on the late 2008 ones, but I have heard quite a few having issues there as well. Good luck with yours... !

I wonder. Is it mere coincidence that the satisfied owners have owned more than one Dodge/Cummins trucks and have been TDR members for many years while the dissatisfied owners are apparently driving their first Dodge/Cummins trucks and have been members of the TDR for a very short time?

 

[Dobeman]

I wonder. Is it mere coincidence that the satisfied owners have owned more than one Dodge/Cummins trucks and have been TDR members for many years while the dissatisfied owners are apparently driving their first Dodge/Cummins trucks and have been members of the TDR for a very short time?

You're way out of line and off base if you think I'm complaining. I'm stating facts and if the facts don't measure up in your eyes well tough.
This isn't my first time around the block with a first year vehicle and I'm also not new to forums and the Ego's that go along with the good old boyz that reside at them. I paid my $ and will post what I find to be the truth like it or not and if you're not here to help then why respond?

If you're insinuating I may be a troll or a kid I'll supply not only my VIN but also my phone number and we can discuss this in person.

My truck is driven 37 miles a night, 6 nights a week on the highway to the big city before I even make my rounds to the job sites and back to my home on the range where the buffalo roam so regeneration isn't the problem (Trust me). The problem was when the truck was sold to me the software along with the oxygen sensor module was faulty which created excessive soot that is now wreaking havoc with not only the Turbo and oxygen sensors but also the EGR.

Take the time to read the TSB's that deal with re-flashes and you'll see in the subject line Excessive soot. The same goes for the G30 recall. What you don't seem to be able to get right in your mind is that the software is still not right because there are still intermittent phantom codes being thrown like P0402 and P2262. Are they Phantom or are they real and the software is so flaky that they aren't being retained? Or how about the sensors being so sooted they aren't functioning?

In closing just remember that being sarcastic takes no special talent but patience and understanding is an gift.

 

[HMathews]

I wonder. Is it mere coincidence that the satisfied owners have owned more than one Dodge/Cummins trucks and have been TDR members for many years while the dissatisfied owners are apparently driving their first Dodge/Cummins trucks and have been members of the TDR for a very short time?

HBarlow, since you are being sarcastic at the pretense of acting wise, let me ask you to open your eyes and look into the "real" world. For your information Turbo Diesel register is not the only cummins forum on the internet. Oh. . and also, there are thousands of owners in other cummins websites who have far more experience than you and have owned far more vehicles equipped with cummins. Most of them wouldn't buy anything other than a cummins, because of the reputation. There are several of them who own mulitple cummins at the same time. So please don't parade your ignorance by bashing everyone else who are having problems by saying that these people are first time owners... Nobody is here to hurt your feelings; we are all here to share "information" and "experience" on a forum like this. Here's a word for you which may be foreign to you - "RESEARCH" - it is a process where you use several resources to find out more about something when you want to get more information, if you didn't know... If you have a little "patience" and do some "research" you can easily figure out that a majority of the above mentioned owners are having so much trouble with this 6. 7L emissions... .

 

[grasmo]

FACT I have been a member here for several years.
FACT I own several dodge diesels.
FACT I have nothing but trouble out of the emissions on my 6. 7
FACT 5 different service mgrs. have told me they are still having problems with the emissions on these .
FACT 5. 9 's have been the best trucks I could ever have hoped for!
I keep hoping for the better to happen. Be nice life is too short.

 

[jimnance]

I wonder. Is it mere coincidence that the satisfied owners have owned more than one Dodge/Cummins trucks and have been TDR members for many years while the dissatisfied owners are apparently driving their first Dodge/Cummins trucks and have been members of the TDR for a very short time?

I am a long term CTD owner. I've owned some of the best ever produced. I'd be the first to holler if I was unhappy with my '07. 5. Perhaps I've been lucky, but no troubles here. I did the O2 sensor and reflash and have never had a problem. I'm not totally happy with the mileage, but that's a function of Federal emissions requirements.



I don't doubt for a moment that there are some unhappy new CTD owners out there. I do believe some trucks are affected, however, It seems that since the O2 sensor recall, the number of complaints have diminished greatly.

 

[HBarlow]

You're way out of line and off base if you think I'm complaining. I'm stating facts and if the facts don't measure up in your eyes well tough.

This isn't my first time around the block with a first year vehicle and I'm also not new to forums and the Ego's that go along with the good old boyz that reside at them. I paid my $ and will post what I find to be the truth like it or not and if you're not here to help then why respond?



If you're insinuating I may be a troll or a kid I'll supply not only my VIN but also my phone number and we can discuss this in person.



My truck is driven 37 miles a night, 6 nights a week on the highway to the big city before I even make my rounds to the job sites and back to my home on the range where the buffalo roam so regeneration isn't the problem (Trust me). The problem was when the truck was sold to me the software along with the oxygen sensor module was faulty which created excessive soot that is now wreaking havoc with not only the Turbo and oxygen sensors but also the EGR.



Take the time to read the TSB's that deal with re-flashes and you'll see in the subject line Excessive soot. The same goes for the G30 recall. What you don't seem to be able to get right in your mind is that the software is still not right because there are still intermittent phantom codes being thrown like P0402 and P2262. Are they Phantom or are they real and the software is so flaky that they aren't being retained? Or how about the sensors being so sooted they aren't functioning?



In closing just remember that being sarcastic takes no special talent but patience and understanding is an gift.

You can post anything you'd like but I can also comment on your posts. If you are offended that is your problem, not mine.



Your comment in post # 20 sure didn't read like facts to me. Here it is: "Maybe these trucks should have been driven on the road before being released to the public because one thing's is for sure, these trucks ain't cheap. "



You were dead wrong when you stated the trucks "should have been driven on the road. "



If your truck has problems that is your business and your right to complain about it but when you slander all of Dodge and Cummins you are out of line yourself.