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I had my third appointment scheduled for the MIL and P2262 and P2000. Right before the appointment saturday, the dealer called and told me not to come in, and said that the dodge engineer was just in and there was a new TSB issued last week dealing specifically with the above issues on the early 2007. 5 trucks. They told me they were ordering a lot of parts (EGR, O2 sensor and a host of other items) and they wanted the truck for a day or two to do the work.



Sounds like progress which is good news. Does anyone have any information on a TSB being issued last week dealing with these codes? For the record, despite my persistence I still have the original turbo (build date Feb. 07. )



Just looking for info.
 
Unfortunately your dealer sounds like they are in the dark on turbo issues. Chrysler TSB 11-003-07 was released last October to address P2262, if they have not heard about it until now then shame on them. This TSB basically has the shop clean some components in addition to replacing your turbo... so not sure why they would put new components on.

For the P2000 they can either replace the O2 sensors or clean them out, as that is what I was told was the direction right now.

So, I am curious if this is a "new TSB" or simply new to your dealer.
 
18-013-08

GROUP: Vehicle Performance

DATE: March 13, 2008

SUBJECT:

FLASH: Engine System And Exhaust Aftertreatment System Enhancements

OVERVIEW:

This bulletin involves:

==> If eligible, verifying that Emission Recall G30 - Replace Oxygen Sensor

Module and Reprogram ECM has been performed. If not, perform Recall G30 first.

==> Verifying software level, and if necessary, selectively erasing and

reprogramming the Engine Control Module (ECM) with new software.

==> Verifying software level, and if necessary, selectively erasing and

reprogramming the Cab Compartment Node (CCN) module with new software.

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:

NOTE: The following conditions and improvements have been addressed with the latest Engine Control Module (ECM) software. This Service Bulletin (SB) only

addresses the labor associated with the reprogramming of the ECM, the CCN, and the installation of a Documentation Kit. Any other labor associated with the performance of additional diagnostics is not addressed by this SB and must be claimed separately.

A. ISSUES ADDRESSED BY VARIOUS ECM SOFTWARE RELEASES TO DATE:

NOTE: With this latest ECM software release listed in this Service Bulletin, the

following symptoms have been completely addressed.

1. The technician may not be able to reprogram (flash) the PCM with new application software.

2. One of the following driveability conditions:

a. An intermittent rough engine idle and/or white smoke following initial engine start.

b. A throttle tip-in stumble at engine speeds of 1,300 to 2,100 rpm.

c. An engine hesitation at altitude of 5,000 feet between engine speeds of 1,200 to 1,600 rpm.

d. A turbocharger “chuff-like” sound during rapid deceleration.

3. The vehicle may fail an Emission Inspection Maintenance (I/M) Test because two or more On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) monitors report that they are not ready for testing.

This condition may cause the customer vehicle to not pass an Emissions I/M test. The following is a list of OBD Monitors that may report as not ready for testing:

a. Non-Methane Hydrocarbon (NMHC) Catalyst Monitor.

b. Nitrogen Oxide (NOx) Absorber Monitor.

c. Exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Monitor.

d. Electrical Charging System Monitor.

e. EGR System Monitor.

f. Oxygen Sensor Monitor.

4. Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) due to one or more of the following Diagnostic

Trouble Codes (DTC):

a. P0101 - Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor Rationality

b. P0128 - Thermostat Rationality

c. P061A - ETC Level 2 Torque Performance.

d. U1421 - Implausible Ignition Key Off Time Received

B. ISSUES IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY BY VARIOUS ECM SOFTWARE RELEASES

TO DATE:

NOTE: The following symptoms and conditions have been significantly enhanced by

the latest ECM software listed in this Service Bulletin. Always check

TechCONNECT to see if there are new or additional Service Bulletins that

may apply to a condition. If condition persists contact STAR for further

assistance.

1. The latest ECM software includes a new extended idle feature to accommodate the

extended idle times present in some duty cycles. This feature may help to reduce the

accumulation of soot in the exhaust aftertreatment system when the engine is idling for

an extended period of time. Briefly how this feature works:

a. As needed, the engine enters an idling mode which dramatically reduces the rate of

soot accumulation in the diesel particulate filter (called “Net Zero”). Further, under

extended idle periods of longer than 2 hours, the engine enters a mode which

reduces the amount of soot accumulated in the diesel particulate filter (called “Net

Reduction”). While in these modes, the idle speed increases to 900 rpm for a period

of time. The idle speed may return to normal idle speed and then return to 900 rpm

to repeat this cycle during very long idle periods.

b. These modes occur automatically provided two conditions are met. The vehicle

must be in Park (automatic transmission) or have the Parking Brake engaged

(manual transmission) for these modes to be enabled. There must also be no

accelerator pedal input.

c. After extended idling, if operation of the engine consists of light loads for short

periods of time the engine will return more quickly to the Net Zero or the Net

Reduction mode of the extended idle operation feature.

d. After extended idling, if operating the engine consists of higher loads for longer

periods of time the engine must again idle for an extended period before the engine

will return to the Net Zero or the Net Reduction mode of the extended idle operation

feature.

2. A MIL illumination due to one of the following DTC's:

a. P2000 - NOx Absorber Efficiency Below Threshold - Bank 1

b. P2A00 - Oxygen Sensor 1/1 Circuit Performance

c. P2A01 - Oxygen Sensor 1/2 Circuit Performance

Perform this Service Bulletin and the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures for the respective

DTC. If condition persists contact STAR for further assistance.

When performing the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures for this condition. Make certain

to remove and thoroughly CLEAN BOTH OXYGEN SENSORS using a clean cloth

and compressed air. Do not use any type of liquid cleaner to clean the oxygen

sensor tips. Use compressed air to remove all soot from the oxygen sensor tip that is

inside (under) the metal shield/cover. Blow compressed air into the center hole of the

sensor shield to remove soot from the sensor tip. Ensure all soot has been removed from

the sensor tip (inside the shield) and on the outside of the sensor tip shield.

-3- 18-013-08

3. After extended idling or if an intake leak is present, the vehicle operator may

experience a MIL illumination and/or an Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC)

message alert due to one or more of the following DTC's:

a. P1451 - Diesel Particulate Filter System Performance.

b. P2463 - Diesel Particulate Filter - Soot Accumulation.

c. P242F - Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction - Ash Accumulation.

Perform this Service Bulletin and Service Bulletin (SB) 11-002-07. It is VERY

IMPORTANT that SB 11-002-07 be performed COMPLETELY to return the engine and

exhaust aftertreatment systems to a “like new” condition. If condition persists contact

STAR for further assistance.

4. A MIL illumination due to the following DTC:

a. P2262 - Turbocharger Boost Pressure Not Detected - Mechanical

Perform this Service Bulletin and Service Bulletin (SB) 11-003-07. It is VERY

IMPORTANT that SB 11-003-07 be performed COMPLETELY to return the engine and

exhaust aftertreatment systems to a “like new” condition. If condition persists contact

STAR for further assistance.

5. A MIL illumination due to one of the following DTC's:

a. P0106 - Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor Performance.

Perform this Service Bulletin and the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures for the respective

DTC. If condition persists contact STAR for further assistance.

6. A MIL illumination due to one of the following DTC's:

a. P200C - Diesel Particulate Filter Over Temperature - Bank 1

b. P242B - Exhaust Gas Temperature Sensor Circuit Performance - Bank 1 Sensor 3.

Perform this Service Bulletin and the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures for the respective

DTC. If condition persists contact STAR for further assistance. Ensure that the exhaust

temperature sensors have been thoroughly cleaned for any temperature sensor related DTC's.

7. A MIL illumination due to one of the following DTC's:

a. P0401 - EGR System Performance

b. P0402 - EGR Flow Excessive Detected

c. P0403 - EGR Control Circuit - Open

d. P0405 - EGR Position Sensor Circuit Low

e. P042E - EGR Control Stuck Open

f. P0489 - EGR Control Circuit - Low

8. A MIL illumination due to the following DTC:

a. P245A - EGR Cooler Bypass Control Circuit - Open.

Perform this Service Bulletin and the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures for the respective

DTC. If condition persists contact STAR for further assistance. IMPORTANT: Ensure that

the EGR Temperature Sensor is thoroughly cleaned for if this DTC occurs .

C. IMPROVED DIAGNOSTIC CAPABILITIES:

NOTE: A number of improvements have been made to the engine diagnostics.

Performing this Service Bulletin completely will enable these diagnostic

improvements.

1. Improved Fuel Level Sensor diagnostics in the ECM.

2. Improvement to the single diagnostic DTC P0148 - Fuel Delivery Error. This DTC is

now addressed by the following two DTC diagnostics:

a. P1011 - Fuel Pump Delivery Pressure Too Low

b. P1012 - Fuel Pump Delivery Pressure Too High

Perform this Service Bulletin. If a DTC is present, perform the appropriate Diagnostic

Procedure. If condition persists contact STAR for further assistance.

3. Creation of three new DTC's to address the inlet air temperature sensor separate from

the ambient air temperature sensor. The new DTC's are:

a. P1191 - Inlet Air Temperature Sensor Rationality / Performance. This DTC

enhances the current DTC P0071 - Inlet Air Temp Sensor Rationality / Ambient Air

Temperature Sensor Performance - TIPM.

b. P1192 - Inlet Air Temperature Sensor Too Low. This DTC enhances the current

DTC P0072 - Inlet Air Temp Sensor Voltage Too Low - TIPM.

c. P1193 - Inlet Air Temperature Sensor Too High. This DTC enhances the current

DTC P0073 - Inlet Air Temp Sensor Voltage Too High - TIPM.

Perform this Service Bulletin. If a DTC is present, perform the appropriate Diagnostic

Procedure. If condition persists contact STAR for further assistance.

4. New ECM and CCN software that together will improve the customer understanding of

the exhaust aftertreatment system messages that can be displayed on the overhead

Electronic Vehicle Information Center
 
Tsb 18-013-08

Thats the newest tsb that I can find.



I just had the 18-013-08 TSB done on my truck after seeing CEL's of PA200, P2262 and P242B. They attached a sticker to the visor with information on what the EVIC will display concerning the DPF and Regens. They also gave me a DVD & CD which I assume is the same as the one I recieved in the mail and a '2008' Owners Manual Ram Truck Diesel Supplment booklet. I haven't yet compared what is in this supplement to what is in my original book but it appears they have made some changes as to what the EVIC displays.
 
I would like to see it as well, my 07 C&C has not had any problems and I asked my service writer if there is one , and I was told that I should get one in the mail if it was related to my truck.



Steve...
 
I just had the 18-013-08 TSB done on my truck after seeing CEL's of PA200, P2262 and P242B. They attached a sticker to the visor with information on what the EVIC will display concerning the DPF and Regens. They also gave me a DVD & CD which I assume is the same as the one I recieved in the mail and a '2008' Owners Manual Ram Truck Diesel Supplment booklet. I haven't yet compared what is in this supplement to what is in my original book but it appears they have made some changes as to what the EVIC displays.



In less than a week after the reflash above the P242 code was back again. #@$%!
 
Post Service Appointment Update

Hi Guys. Well the dealer have me drop the truck off yesterday so they could evaluate and take corrective action for my P2000 and P2262. Now unfortunately, in the month since my first appointment the P2262 code disappeared from my truck (and they claim from memory too. ) So no action was taken in regards to the P2262. I still have the original turbo (build date Feb 07) and 11-001-08 and 11-002-08 have NOT been performed. I'm sure it is just a matter of time before I get the P2262 code again and have to schedule another appointment.



The solution (so far) for P2000 was TSB 18-013-08 that mopartech suggested (they flashed me to AX and also flashed the CCN. They did not do the doc kit, visor label or the "Authorized Modification Label" as noted in the TSB. The truck is running great... like a "raped ape" as another user put it!



So for now all is well until the next MIL light and code appears. My next appointment I will question why they cut corners on the above procedure.



Thanks for the input.
 
I sold my wife's truck for this very reason. I dearly hated to see it go. But ongoing turbo issues and no parts to fix it (most of the stuff is on backorder) said it was time.
 
I sold my wife's truck for this very reason. I dearly hated to see it go. But ongoing turbo issues and no parts to fix it (most of the stuff is on backorder) said it was time.



I have the same truck and haven't had any real issues as mentioned in this thread. I just returned from a 700 trip with an 9,000 lb travel trailer and the truck pulled with no problems - a little soft, but probably should have an equalizer. It was a rental trailer.
 
I have the same truck and haven't had any real issues as mentioned in this thread. I just returned from a 700 trip with an 9,000 lb travel trailer and the truck pulled with no problems - a little soft, but probably should have an equalizer. It was a rental trailer.



Well, looks like I spoke too soon. Check engine light came on and I have P2000 and P061A. Called dealer and have an appointment on Friday morning. The service advisor said he hasn't heard of the P061A before. :mad:



I'm currently searching the forum on this second code.



Brad
 
I would bet its from the p2000 code, do you idle your truck?



P061A-ETC LEVEL 2 TORQUE PERFORMANCE



Possible causes:

SOFTWARE REVISION/TSBS

COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR

EXHAUST MANIFOLD PRESSURE SENSOR

INTAKE MANIFOLD PRESSURE SENSOR

BRAKE SWITCH

ENGINE OR FUEL MODIFICATIONS THAT EXCEED OEM SPECIFICATIONS

ACCELERATOR PEDAL POSITION ENSOR

ENGINE CONTROL MODULE (ECM)





P2000-NOX ABSORBER EFFICIENCY BELOW THRESHOLD - BANK 1



Possible causes:

MASS AIR FLOW SENSOR

O2 SENSORS

EGR LEAKS

BOOST SYSTEM LEAKS

USE OF HIGH SULFUR FUEL

TAMPERING OR REMOVAL OF THE NAC

DEGRADED OR POISONED NAC

EXHAUST, EGR OR INTAKE LEAKS
 
I would bet its from the p2000 code, do you idle your truck?



P061A-ETC LEVEL 2 TORQUE PERFORMANCE



Possible causes:

SOFTWARE REVISION/TSBS

COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR

EXHAUST MANIFOLD PRESSURE SENSOR

INTAKE MANIFOLD PRESSURE SENSOR

BRAKE SWITCH

ENGINE OR FUEL MODIFICATIONS THAT EXCEED OEM SPECIFICATIONS

ACCELERATOR PEDAL POSITION ENSOR

ENGINE CONTROL MODULE (ECM)



P2000-NOX ABSORBER EFFICIENCY BELOW THRESHOLD - BANK 1



Possible causes:

MASS AIR FLOW SENSOR

O2 SENSORS

EGR LEAKS

BOOST SYSTEM LEAKS

USE OF HIGH SULFUR FUEL

TAMPERING OR REMOVAL OF THE NAC

DEGRADED OR POISONED NAC

EXHAUST, EGR OR INTAKE LEAKS



No, I don't idle



I recently filled up with B5 a couple of days ago and wonder if the truck just can't handle biodiesel. I have used biodiesel in the past with no issues. The dealer has cleaned the sensors and flashed the system as needed as well.



I always use ULSD as well.
 
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