No CDL needed with air brakes

[MBurke]

Ok... Help me out here. I am getting a new International 4300 flatbed, (no trailer) that is rated at 25,500 gvwr. I will be plating it for under 26,000lbs. I do know for a fact that a CDL is not required for air brakes under 26,000 lbs, as long as not hauling hazmat. What I am having trouble finding is the proof. Can anyone provide a link to this specific info. I just want to have it printed up in the cab in case of a misinformed officer. (I am commercial, and have a med card, authority and all... . I have been doing this for some time with my 3500. )

 

[ISBPilot]

I'm confused............

How are you commercial and do not have a CDL already?



Todd

 

[MBurke]

no cdl

A CDL is not required nationwide under 26,000 lbs. as long as the truck and trailer combined are not rated over 26,000 lbs.

 

[jpolston]

Just get a copy of "Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations" pocket handbook at a local truck stop. Refer to paragraph 383. 5 Commercial Motor Vehicle definitions. Around page 64, I think. :-{}

 

[Bob4x4]

When I was in that end of the industry... over 5 years ago I don't remember seeing air brakes on anything under 26k gvw.



Bob

 

[Snow man]

I have a CDL A,im pretty sure you need a CDL C at the minimum to run air brakes,unless its for recreational use. I never seen a truck under 26K with air brakes,they run juice brakes so they can hire drivers without CDL's.

 

[MBurke]

NO arguments please

Trust me, you don't need a cdl, and I have a new 2003 NON CDL International 4300 with air. All I am looking for is links where it states this directly. In the CDL manual, the truck does not fall under any CDL categories. I have seen a link that states directly that air brakes alone do not constitute a need for CDL. Just cant find it again.

 

[Todd G]

I used to drive bottled water trucks that had air brakes and were 26,000 GVW. All we needed was a med card and a short training class on air brakes.

 

[BV]

CDL Information

I don't know if this helps but here is a link to the Oregon DOT CDL information page



BTW - If you don't need a CDL than you would not be required to have an air brake endorsement.

 

[MBurke]

there we go

That is more the info I am looking for... . any more links would be appreciated. Thanks, guys.

 

[RBergman]

a few links from wahington state



http://www.dol.wa.gov/ds/cdl.htm



http://www.dol.wa.gov/ds/cdlguide.htm



fed

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsrhome.htm



i may have more but it is a start

bob

 

[QRTRHRS]

This thread has me intrigued so I was searching around for specific wording. So far I found this which looks to be from Michigan state. Scroll down to question number four.

http://www.truckingsafety.org/faq/faqlicense.htm