No more Cummins

[ndurbin]

I heard a good one last night from one of my wife's old friends from high school.



He said he had heard from his brother (who was told by an Iowa Dodge dealer when he bought his truck) that there would be no more Cummins in Dodge's after '07. That Dodge was switching to Volvo or Mercedes diesel. Then Ford was going to pick up Cummins in '08.



:-laf



Nathan

 

[Grizzly]

Sounds like wishful thinking for Ford diehards. Dodge folks are not stupid, they won't give up a good thing.

 

[HBarlow]

Has anyone ever heard a rumor about Navistar Power Strokes or Isuzu Duramaxs being coveted by any other truck manufacturer? Or, from the other perspective, a rumor about any other engine but Cummins being offered by any other truck manufacturer? I haven't! It is always wishful thinking and false rumors about Dodge losing the Cummins and Ford gaining it.



I still talk with an occasional moron who tells me that Ford owns Cummins (spelled Cummings, I guess). If ignorance was valuable some folks would be wealthy.



Harvey

 

[J DeMaio]

I did hear once that in 07 or 08 that dodge was supposed to use a mercedes benz engine, which I do believe that daimler chrysler owns. I read the quote out of a Four Wheeler magazine about 4 years ago.

 

[Dieselram]

Actually that wouldn't suprise me to see a benz diesel as an Option, They are already putting the Benz twin-turbo diesels in the midline freightliners.

 

[supeerman4422]

if they decide to go with the benz engine it shuold be an OPTION and an OPTION only, if they get rid of the cummins all together i dont think they will sell their trucks as easy, i know most guys bought the truck because of the cummins, not the dodge part of it!



-Tom

 

[KBaucom]

Wen will this rumor stop ford don't own cummins dodge will still have a cummins this has been said for a long time and it hasen't come true yet

 

[rbattelle]

I heard a good one last night from one of my wife's old friends from high school.



He said he had heard from his brother (who was told by an Iowa Dodge dealer when he bought his truck) that there would be no more Cummins in Dodge's after '07. That Dodge was switching to Volvo or Mercedes diesel. Then Ford was going to pick up Cummins in '08.

You should've fired right back with something like:



"Yeah, that's true! Of course, there won't be anymore wheels on Dodge's anymore after '07 either. They're switching to a special rubber track system that's good to 120 mph. This is because Caterpillar just bought Dodge from DaimlerChrysler. They're going to use a Mercedes diesel for the first few years as part of the concessions Cat made to DC employees, then they'll switch over to Cat C13 engines (that's 13 liters) in 2010. "



:-laf



-Ryan

 

[MYeary]

Isn't that what they are putting in the jeep liberty and sprinter van now, also the Grand cherokee & 300 in europe, don't see it happing with the heavy duty rams though :-laf

 

[klenger]

If Ford ever does get the contract for Cummins in pickup trucks, I'll bet it won't run as well as it does in a Dodge. Besides that, Ford doesn't build a truck that I want, regardless of what engine they use. The Ford extended cab is toooooo small, and the crew cab is TOOOOOO BIG. My quad cab in Just Right.

 

[AndrewGray]

I took one of our cheby pickups from where i work to the dealer the other day to do service on it and one of the mechanics there who I have known since a kid said that they were told by a field rep that cheby was goin to put in a cat engine similar to the cat 3116. Anyone hear of anything? Thats the first I ever heard of it. Oh by the way the work cheby is a 05 D-max and is havin lots of problems.

 

[biggieou]

I took one of our cheby pickups from where i work to the dealer the other day to do service on it and one of the mechanics there who I have known since a kid said that they were told by a field rep that cheby was goin to put in a cat engine similar to the cat 3116. Anyone hear of anything? Thats the first I ever heard of it. Oh by the way the work cheby is a 05 D-max and is havin lots of problems.

Before GM stayed in-house and put the D-Max in their trucks, they contacted CAT about building a diesel for them. CAT said they couldnt build enough engines for GM and it wouldnt be cost efficient for them. So the rumor of GM still getting a CAT is just like Ford getting Cummins.

 

[JUeckert]

if gm ever had a shot at the cat option,the 3116 was as close as it could have come. weight and power wise the engine would have worked. dimensions and emission wise,i dont know. is it possible that dodge could loose the cummins?maybe so,big corperations are looking for ways to keep as much of there money[profits] in house. for many years one of the most popular engines in a freightliner truck was a cummins engine. when mercedes bought freightliner,it axed the cummins,now a mercedes is a option. the main reason my last truck purchase was a dodge was because of the lower price and the cummins engine. to me ford dropped the ball with the 6. 0,and i wont buy another one till something major changes under the hood. the cummins for the most part was proven,has lots of upgrades on the market,has lots of product support and a loyal following. the only other engine that could make that claim would be the older powerstroke. if the cummins is dropped,i would hope its replacment is equal to or better,but with constantly changeing emissions,thats getting harder for any engine manufacter to do.

 

[FATCAT]

I heard a good one last night from one of my wife's old friends from high school.



He said he had heard from his brother (who was told by an Iowa Dodge dealer when he bought his truck) that there would be no more Cummins in Dodge's after '07. That Dodge was switching to Volvo or Mercedes diesel. Then Ford was going to pick up Cummins in '08.



:-laf



Nathan

Well, the Volvo Engines are not bad and the Mercedes 900's are very nice from what people have told me. If you look on the road at the "new" trucks running around, there are A LOT of Volvos and they are nice. But don't forget ... Ford owns Volvo.

 

[dslmacdown]

Actually Ford owns Volvo cars. Volvo trucks and heavy equipment I believe is independent and includes Mack trucks

 

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No more Cummins? And why not?

Oo. Hopefully, this will meander into some form of reality and begin to make sense to you, or not. I'll try not to confuse you beyond a reasonable doubt as to my Diesel (Cummins) sensibilities. But I , of course, have already passed on into that myriad mire of myopic misanthropic minions whose mien is relegated to a miniscule minutiae of missive monologues. To Dodge or not to Dodge, that could be an interrogatory! So, you see, my present condition exudes compulsion for a complaisant comprehensive compendium of the salient points. Ah, but I digress and beg thee--- Please, please do not inquire as to the apparent oafishness of my words. The nature of it requires such a high degree of secrecy that I am not permitted to know what I'm writing even while I am writing it! So, without further adieu, I will try to develop cognizance of a few germaine words for succinct messages and eliminate wandering to extraneous cerrabrations. Dodge is an affliction and the Dodge Cummins is a Disease that elicits an emancipation from the malaise disguised in the form of Chevy, GMC and Ford. A Disease, nay, a Paliative! If only to inject said Disease, or Paliative, into the bloodstream of those less fortunate than ourselves ( Chevy, GMC, Ford owners). As is Mother Nature's way---only the strong survive. Such is our destiny. Clessie Cummins started an avalanche that has, does and shall continue building in intensity beyond his wildest of imaginings and ours. If only he could have lived to see it go beyond the OTR. GOD, I LOVE MY CUMMINS TURBO DIESEL. There is no other to replace it. Keep the faith. RBriney Chubbuck, Idaho It takes a spud to raise a diesel.

 

[tgee]

I did hear once that in 07 or 08 that dodge was supposed to use a mercedes benz engine, which I do believe that daimler chrysler owns. I read the quote out of a Four Wheeler magazine about 4 years ago.

Yes, Daimler Chrysler does own Mercedes, also Freightliner, Sterling, Western Star, and Detroit Diesel.

 

[tgee]

Actually that wouldn't suprise me to see a benz diesel as an Option, They are already putting the Benz twin-turbo diesels in the midline freightliners.

The engine for the smaller Freightliners is a Detroit Diesel MBE 900,(Mercedes),6. something liter. Have yet to see any DDC/Mercedes in a truck with twin turbos, thats a Cat thing. I'm almost sure Cummins 8. 3 and Cat 3126(or C-7) are still an option though.

 

[tgee]

Isn't that what they are putting in the jeep liberty and sprinter van now, also the Grand cherokee & 300 in europe, don't see it happing with the heavy duty rams though :-laf

I believe the engine here is a VM Mittori ( spelled something like that ) which is an Italian built motor that Detroit Diesel has been working with for years. I think the Sprinter is a Mercedes though.

 

[SMolteberg]

I believe the engine here is a VM Mittori ( spelled something like that ) which is an Italian built motor that Detroit Diesel has been working with for years. I think the Sprinter is a Mercedes though.

The jeeps use the VM Mottori diesels wich actually are owned by Detroit Diesel (A DC company) Here in Europe we have had the VM Diesels in Dodge Caravans (called a Chrysler Voyager and built in Austria) and Jeeps for many years mated with a 5sp standard. There have been some issues about the camdrive on a few here in Norway, but not as bad as the autos in the gassers though. The Grand Cherokee came with a 3. 1litre 5cyl VM, heard a lot of good things about that.



The Sprinter uses a Mercedes 2. 9litre CDI wich are their all-round diesel that you will find in any Mercedes product. Again a very good engine.



Us Europeans are not that spoiled with extra HP since most of the countries here put tax on the HP's



Will DC dump the Cummins? Hope not they are so stupid, but the suits doesn't always think the same as the average Joe.



When you look at Volvo that are indeed a independent company, actually one of the biggest truckmanufacturer in the world (yes, Ford bought their personal car department). Since they compete with Cat in their heavy machinery department they are dropping Cat engines in the trucks also. Now I belive the Volvo trucks now have Volvo engines as stock and Cummins as option.



We have only seen the start of the Brand wars, and how the big companies now buy smaller companies they will try to put their own name on it.



A good example here in Europe are GM putting Chevrolet badges on the small Daewoo's and dropping all American Chevys! They will only sell Caddy's and Corvette over here now