A customer came into my friends diesel shop with a 97 12 valve auto and he was running NO torque plate. He said it runs good and has had no problems. He doesn't have a pyro so no egt # are known and he is getting similar fuel mileage as mine. A chart i seen recommended a #10 or 11 for my 97 5 Spd. Did anybody else do this and what are the possible problems?? I heard about sliding the stock plate full forward but completely removing it has me confused.