Nobama Administration Issues New Decree To Increase Fuel Economy

[HBarlow]

Cut and Pasted from "RV Daily Report"

Obama to target trucks in new fuel standards


Greg Gerber posted on October 25, 2010 10:00

WASHINGTON -- Today the Obama administration will introduce the first-ever fuel efficiency rules for tractor-trailers, school buses, delivery vans, garbage trucks and heavy-duty pickup trucks, the Boston Herald reported.
The Environmental Protection Agency and the Transportation Department are moving ahead with a proposal for medium- and heavy-duty trucks, beginning with those sold in the 2014 model year and into the 2018 model year.

Overall, the proposal is expected to seek reductions of 10 percent to 20 percent in fuel consumption and emissions based on the vehicle’s size. The rules will cover big rig tractor-trailers, “vocational trucks” such as garbage trucks and transit and school buses, and work trucks such as heavy-duty versions of the Ford F-Series, Dodge Ram and Chevrolet Silverado, the Herald noted.

The fleet of new cars, pickup trucks and SUVs will need to reach 35. 5 mpg by 2016, and the government is developing plans for future vehicle models that could push the standards to 47 mpg to 62 mpg by 2025, the Herald reported.

To read the full story in the Boston Herald, click here.

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[HBarlow]

Can anyone explain to me how a bunch of blowdried empty suit bureaucrats in DC who have never had a real job in the private sector and never driven a truck can simply issue a new directive that will cause 80,000 lb. trucks to suddenly get 10% to 20% greater fuel economy? That would mean an increase of between . 8 mpg and 1. 6 mpg by simply printing paper.

If this administration has its way we may not be able to drive our existing Dodge Rams by the end of his administration and no new ones will be manufactured and sold in the US.

 

[Wingate]

yet another reason to throw in the towel and go back to being the Republic of Texas...

Or another reason to pass a law stating that if you arent a productive member of society, you dont get to vote.

 

[macdaddy]

And China rools on... ... ...



Man HB I can tell your as discusted as I am#@$%!.



Lets hope the midterms stop this fool... .



Mac

 

[rscurtis]

Can anyone explain to me how a bunch of blowdried empty suit bureaucrats in DC who have never had a real job in the private sector and never driven a truck can simply issue a new directive that will cause 80,000 lb. trucks to suddenly get 10% to 20% greater fuel economy? That would mean an increase of between . 8 mpg and 1. 6 mpg by simply printing paper.



If this administration has its way we may not be able to drive our existing Dodge Rams by the end of his administration and no new ones will be manufactured and sold in the US.

Very easily. All they have to do is reverse the directives that caused the FE decrease in the first place. Go back to 2003 standards (90% clean) and eliminate the EGR which was implemented early by the Consent Decree. There's your 10-20% right there, and a significant purchase cost reduction to boot, which will help replace older, dirtier trucks.



The 47-62 MPG on cars is easy, my '89 Jetta diesel did that all day long. Of course, it weighed 1000# less than a 2010 model, there is a savings to be realized right there.

 

[HBarlow]

And China rools on... ... ...

Man HB I can tell your as discusted as I am#@$%!.

Lets hope the midterms stop this fool... .

Mac

Yep, I'm restraining my comments and true feelings because this isn't the right forum for it.

 

[dlmartin]

Every time they "legislate" technology it forces the manufacturers to bring to the market products that are not ready just to meet a mandated target. We the consumers pay the price with, in most cases unreliable and poor performing products. The engine manufacturers spend the vast majority of their R&E dollars on fuel efficiency and emissions now. Better fuel economy sells, especially in the heavy duty market. The BO administration refuses to let the market forces work in anything.

 

[HBarlow]

Very easily. All they have to do is reverse the directives that caused the FE decrease in the first place. Go back to 2003 standards (90% clean) and eliminate the EGR which was implemented early by the Consent Decree. There's your 10-20% right there, and a significant purchase cost reduction to boot, which will help replace older, dirtier trucks. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... QUOTE]

Yes, sadly you are precisely correct. It would be just that simple but that is one choice we know the politicians (I choose the worst possible definition of that word) and bureaucrats are absolutely going to select.

If they did that our new ISB6. 7s would be tremendous power houses and still return good fuel economy without EGRs, DPFs, and retarded timing.

 

[JMetzger]

Yes but don't take them into CA. They say as Ca goes so goes the country. Now that is scary.

 

[Regcabguy]

Classic example of progress in the Clean Air Standards: before I retired from San Diego City Schools some of our incredibly efficient,reliable and zero smoke 1992 Hino cabovers were replaced with Internationals with the Workforce engines. This was mandated by CARB regulations and the cost absorbed by Ca taxpayers. Net result: far less reliability,automated shutdown after five minute idling at rest,and fuel economy went from 12-13 mpg to 8mpg. Where's the gain?:{ Going after the big rigs is just bullheaded. With the proper driver who knows their rig,I just don't see much smoke in the eighteen wheelers.

 

[The patriot]

The government's is the footprint that needs to be reduced.

 

[RustyJC]

Next thing you know the Department of Energy will issue a decree that daylight will last 20 hours and the minimum low temperature will not go below 60 degrees F. Why, think of the energy THAT will save during the winter months.



Rusty

 

[guldam]

#1. This is a political posting. It should be moved to the political board.



#2. Clean air, and efficient vehicles are welcome as far as I'm concerned.



#3 The rest of the world has many small efficient and clean diesel passenger vehicles to choose from. I suspect the same is true of large commercial vehicles. An example might be the clean and efficient Mercedes/Dodge/Freightliner - Sprinter line of Vans. Made and designed in Germany but assembled in the US.



Ask yourself, why there are many, many small diesel cars that get 50-70mpg available in Europe, but we get diddle. Is it the Obama Administration that is not letting us have these cars? I think not.



Harvey, you were a Navy man, and since you traveled around in a Submarine, I imagine you got a chance to set foot in cities around the world where they have no emissions laws, too may people and too many internal combustion engines running at full tilt boogie making the air almost unbreathable.



I lived in the Tokyo outskirts in the mid 70's and I recall filthy air in downtown Tokyo that was so thick and nasty that many Japanese citizens took to wearing cloth face masks in an attempt to filter the air they breathed. There were also vending machines, that for a few hundred yen would give you a breath of pure oxygen to counter the effects of air pollution. How is it in China now?



We've all seen the images from the 50's, 60's, and 70's of brown air hovering over our major cities. Living out in the sticks like you do, may make the air seem perfectly clean, but go to any major city in the heat of summer and see how your 80 year old lungs do.



Further, it is very clear that the easy oil is gone from the ground. Now we have to drill deeper and in very difficult terrain and deep ocean waters to find crude oil. Oil is getting more scarce and will continue to get more scarce and prices are going to continue to go up. Seems to me that conservation is the easiest way to reduce the amount of oil we use. So why not have more efficient trucks and buses, and passenger cars? The technology is there, but not here for some reason. Then ask yourself if the real reason we are in Iraq has more to do with protecting our access to Iraqi Oil than WMD's or Spreading Democracy or some other nonsense.



Reduce weight, improve aerodynamics and use technology to constantly improve the efficiency and cleanliness of our diesel engines. Seems like a win, win situation.



GulDam

Cut and Pasted from "RV Daily Report"



Obama to target trucks in new fuel standards





Greg Gerber posted on October 25, 2010 10:00



WASHINGTON -- Today the Obama administration will introduce the first-ever fuel efficiency rules for tractor-trailers, school buses, delivery vans, garbage trucks and heavy-duty pickup trucks, the Boston Herald reported.

The Environmental Protection Agency and the Transportation Department are moving ahead with a proposal for medium- and heavy-duty trucks, beginning with those sold in the 2014 model year and into the 2018 model year.



Overall, the proposal is expected to seek reductions of 10 percent to 20 percent in fuel consumption and emissions based on the vehicle’s size. The rules will cover big rig tractor-trailers, “vocational trucks” such as garbage trucks and transit and school buses, and work trucks such as heavy-duty versions of the Ford F-Series, Dodge Ram and Chevrolet Silverado, the Herald noted.



The fleet of new cars, pickup trucks and SUVs will need to reach 35. 5 mpg by 2016, and the government is developing plans for future vehicle models that could push the standards to 47 mpg to 62 mpg by 2025, the Herald reported.



To read the full story in the Boston Herald, click here.



Posted in: RV Industry

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[guldam]

Technology Review: Reinventing the Gasoline Engine

A new engine concept developed by researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison could cut fuel consumption by about 30 percent in cars and by almost 20 percent in heavy trucks. In gas-powered cars, the new design would add little to the cost of the engine. In heavy-duty trucks, it would substantially reduce costs by eliminating the need for expensive after-treatment systems to reduce emissions...

Guldam

 

[guldam]

Technology Review: New Diesel Engine Emits Cleaner Fumes

New Diesel Engine Emits Cleaner Fumes
A new engine designed in Germany reduces the pollutants in diesel exhaust emissions to barely measurable levels. The motor relies on extremely high fuel-injection and combustion pressures to burn fuel more completely--dramatically reducing both soot and nitrogen-oxide emissions... .

 

[guldam]

Technology Review: How Diesel Technology Could Cut Oil Imports

From 2006. And now it's soon to be 2011. Where are our small diesel cars?

How Diesel Technology Could Cut Oil Imports

New regulations in the United States mandating ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel are igniting interest in efficient diesel vehicles.

One easy way to reduce both carbon-dioxide emissions and oil imports is to switch to diesel engines in cars and trucks, since they're inherently more efficient than gasoline engines. In fact, diesel engines are almost as efficient as gas-electric hybrids, without the need for hybrid technology.

But to date, consumer diesel vehicles have not been widespread in the United States, where tight emissions controls made them more expensive to develop than in diesel-loving Europe. What's more, U. S. drivers' historical indifference to fuel economy--along with their perception that diesel engines are smelly and dirty--convinced automakers that Americans wouldn't buy them anyway.

Starting on October 15, however, ultra-low-sulfur diesel will be available throughout the United States at the pump, as a result of EPA regulations originally devised by the Clinton administration.

By itself, the new diesel fuel will cut soot emissions by 10 percent--but it also opens the way for affordable technologies that can reduce emissions by 90 to 95 percent. The reason sulfur is so significant is that it forms organic sulfates, which create soot, clog emissions filters, and render ineffective catalysts that help convert the soot to harmless materials.

The new U. S. fuel standards slash sulfur levels in diesel from 500 parts per million to 15, making practical the kinds of emissions controls already used in Europe, as well as better treatments for nitrogen oxides, which are key components in smog. This improvement should make meeting toughening emissions standards far easier--and could pave the way for a new diesel era in the United States.

"The cleaner diesel fuel opens the door to diesel cars that can be as clean as gasoline cars, yet offer 20 to 40 percent better fuel economy," says Richard Kassel, senior attorney at the National Resources Defense Council. Such efficiency gains approach those of gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles and, as with hybrids, the clean diesel vehicles would also cut carbon-dioxide emissions by reducing the total fuel consumed.

While a few diesel cars have been available in the United States, more automakers are poised to enter the market. Allen Schaeffer, executive director of Diesel Technology Forum, a not-for-profit educational group representing diesel equipment manufacturers, says Honda will have a diesel vehicle (probably an Accord) for the United States in three years. GM has announced a light-truck engine for 2010, as has Cummins. Meanwhile, Daimler-Chrysler is introducing a Mercedes diesel vehicle into the United States next week, and a new Jeep Grand Cherokee next year. Volkswagen also has several diesel vehicles on the market, he says. ... .

 

[mwilson]

I am seeing a huge increase in repowers of older pre-07 Class 8 trucks.

Customers do not want anything to do with the 2010 engines, and are not real happy with the 2007-2009 ones as well.

Not to mention that a Class 8 tractor that sold for $100,000 dollars in 2002 will now sell for $140,000 dollars with the majority of the increase being for added emissions equipment. Freight sure doesn't pay anymore now than it did then.



Used truck values (with desirable specs) are increasing every day.



Detroit Diesel is begging for cores to rebuild to address the surge in Reliabilt parts sales. They did not anticipate the demand for used trucks and repowers and are now in a mess. Rebuilt turbos, cylinder heads, etc. for the beloved 60 series are nonexistant or in very short supply.



Powered Glider kits with '04 emission hardware are selling like hotcakes. That is a cab/chassis with a steering axle, a rebuilt engine, all engine hardware, radiator, frame rails, etc. You simply add a transmission and rear axles with suspension from a donor truck and off you go.



I do not get the logic of it all. When the '07 engines came out, truck fuel mileage dropped across the board at least 1 mile per gallon. A 1 mpg decrease in a unit that was getting 6 mpg and now only gets 5 mpg on a good day spread out over 150,000 miles traveled per year over a 5 year duty cycle is a lot of frigin' diesel fuel. I don't care how they do the math.

If you have an emissons system that decreases fuel mileage so it takes more fuel to do the same job what have you gained???

In my world, that means at least the same amount if not more junk is flowing from the exhaust then before the '07 emissions.



To clean up the fuel with better, modern refinerys would be a start, then it would produce less emissions from the get go like Europe has already done.



Maine is following California so we now have gas with 10% Methanol in it as do several other states. Gas mileage dropped significantly not to mention the issues with 2-cycle engines that were detonating left and right here the first winter we had that crap put in our gas.

Same thing, more gas to do the same job.



Not to mention these stupid new non-vented gas gans that spill and spew more gas and fumes than any old style gas can ever could short of poking an 1" hole in the side of it.

Who thinks this crap up???





I just don't get it... . :{

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Can anyone explain to me how a bunch of blowdried empty suit bureaucrats in DC who have never had a real job in the private sector and never driven a truck can simply issue a new directive that will cause 80,000 lb. trucks to suddenly get 10% to 20% greater fuel economy? That would mean an increase of between . 8 mpg and 1. 6 mpg by simply printing paper.



If this administration has its way we may not be able to drive our existing Dodge Rams by the end of his administration and no new ones will be manufactured and sold in the US.

Democrat Politicians embrace socialism and communism--always have. They do what they do to make it more difficult for business. They see capitalism as bad--it gets in their way of converting this country into a third world country. In other words they just are not good people. I have an assortment of names for them but BONEHEADS will always be boneheads no matter what you call them. -- email address removed --

 

[guldam]

Democrat Politicians embrace socialism and communism--always have. They do what they do to make it more difficult for business. They see capitalism as bad--it gets in their way of converting this country into a third world country. In other words they just are not good people. I have an assortment of names for them but BONEHEADS will always be boneheads no matter what you call them. -- email address removed --

Horse Dung.



Democrats support social programs such as Social Security and Medicare for citizens. Republicans support facism and the transfer of wealth to corporations and the wealthy.



You are a bonehead.



Guldam

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Horse Dung.



Democrats support social programs such as Social Security and Medicare for citizens. Republicans support facism and the transfer of wealth to corporations and the wealthy.



You are a bonehead.



Guldam

1/2 million military personnel since WWII came home in a coffin so that anybody could have any opinion they wanted to. I have watched politics since the end of WWII and whatever the communist wanted the democrats also wanted. There is nothing wrong with somebody getting financial help when they need it but to spend this country into bankruptcy and saddle our children grand children and great grandchildren with a debt they did not ask for is criminal. Criminals belong in jail. I may disagree with what you are saying but I will fight to the death your right to say it. I refuse to get into a name calling contest that accomplishes nothing. Crooked politicians are another story. I will always disagree with rewarding those who refuse to work and punishing those who do work. There is nothing wrong with becoming successful and rich. I never got a job from a poor man.