now hear this, off road diesel emissions

[emarsh]

In the LA TIMES today, page A16 "Off-Road Diesels to be subject to Clean Air Rules". Bush administration officials announced for the first time they will target "high-polluting diesel powered farm and construction vehicles. Bulldozers, tractors, steam rollers, etc.

This is the latest crap from our government, God this country is going to the dogs! Why don't the government admit that the AIRLINES are one of the largest air pollution sources in the world, and nearly nothing is being done to curb the TONS of pollutants emitted every day. I will not apoligize to anyone who works or makes their living in that industry, it is a fact and the general public knows nothing about this.

Or, now this is a novel idea, what about the pollutants caused by tobacco smoking, lighting up, and the second hand smoke. I'm sorry if this offends anyone. Just where will it stop????

 

[emarsh]

I'm sorry, I just had to vent on this . I am outraged what our elected and non elected official idots are doing when they are supposed to be working for all of us. Hell, the next thing you know we will need a catalytic conveter on our Coleman lanterns when we are camping. What really madens me is the poor folks (private) that are using their bulldozers RIGHT NOW here in Calif. to fight the rash of brush and forest fires only to find out that the government wants to force them to put what? has anyone figured out how this will work or as usual do they just pass the law and let industry sort out how to achieve their goal? Or fine them for "non complience".

 

[illflem]

emarsh, don't be too upset. From what I read in the Washington Times the restrictions are voluntary and were a step by the administration to counter much more stringent proposals by the EPA. Sounds like the LA Times didn't tell the rest of the story. Public input into the EPA regs starts next year, that's the main reason I've been harping on folks to lay off the smoke. Smoking a pedestrian, rice burner or intersection to please your ego is only going to cause a person who normally wouldn't be involved with the public input phase to become anti-diesel.

 

[Don M]

Originally posted by illflem

emarsh, don't be too upset. From what I read in the Washington Times the restrictions are voluntary and were a step by the administration to counter much more stringent proposals by the EPA. Sounds like the LA Times didn't tell the rest of the story. Public input into the EPA regs starts next year, that's the main reason I've been harping on folks to lay off the smoke. Smoking a pedestrian, rice burner or intersection to please your ego is only going to cause a person who normally wouldn't be involved with the public input phase to become anti-diesel.

Good point Bill. I try very hard not to smoke folks anymore at all. I always check around to see if anyone is around me before I let the hammer down. I drive around with my AFC cranked real tight to avoid any smoke even when towing now. It was fun for a wile until I began to think the same thing you just wrote.



Don~

 

[DieselDoghouse]

Off road diesel emissions Heck!! The government has secretly spent millions to decrease off-road methane emissions— but the cows keep knocking the danged scrubbers off when they scratch their ears

 

[JIM S.]

Pretty much what EMARSH said!!!

This country has its head so far up you know what concerning what really would make a difference, almost makes me wish I was an alien... if there really was aliens. .

Jim

 

[Doubleclutch]

One of the scariest pictures in my mind's eye is a little granny in tennis shoes with a clipboard... P. O'd, and getting signatures.

 

[1tuffram]

I second Illflem and Don's comments. One day the irresponsible actions of the few is going to come back and bite ALL of us in the a**. Going around and belching smoke clouds in people faces is certainly not helping matters any. I don't know about the rest of you, but the thought of being subjected to tighter emissions laws because of these jokers really makes pi$$ed. I will leave it at use some common sence when you feel the urge to romp on the go pedal. and more

 

[dhetrick]

biodiesel

Why not incourage fleet use of off road equipment to use biodiesel. Looks like a nice alternitive to regular diesel. Even a 20% mix cleans up the emissions.

Just reading the artical at www.allpar.com/ed/biodiesel.html

 

[JIM S.]

Why not incourage fleet use of off road equipment to use biodiesel. Looks like a nice alternitive to regular diesel. Even a 20% mix cleans up the emissions.

they dont want to do that because it would make sense!

Jim

 

[NVR FNSH]

I don't have a problem with emissions limits if they are applied logically. I haven't determined what logically means but after watching the black smoke belching from construction equipment it's pretty easy to understand why they are a target. And an easy one at that.



Regarding illflem & Don M's comments about smoke shows turning someone from a neutral party to a crusader:



The OHV (dirtbike) community is facing this exact problem right now because of the inconsiderate few. Since the high performance 4 strokes have hit the market - think YZ400 - noise has become a major issue. People are running 102-104dB exhaust systems because they "need" the additional 1HP and it is ******* off everybody that would normally remain neutral. This is what will and is happening with diesels.



Brian

 

[DieselDoghouse]

NEVR FNSH's comments are certainly sage and valid. But even if every affected party were eligible for sainthood, the trend that rankles me as a scientist is the swelling ranks of those so effused to practice bad science: 1. improved refrigerant that is atmospherically converted to CFC's, 2. pollution control devices that are apparently shedding their catalyst metals globally, 3. fuel oxygenators that may the most potent carcinogens commonly available and are poisoning groundwater at alarming rates - all in the name of 'emission controls'. It is becoming the norm to consider a good days work to be an empty, well drafted protocol rather than an inciteful idea. And who pays to have bad science put into practice? Our tax dollars at work.

 

[shoveljunk]

I operate earthmovers that put out rolling clouds of smoke. It's not fun to get a face full of my own smoke. I don't like haveing to smog check my car when the next county over does'nt have to. California has some of the toughest emissions laws, but allow for agriculteral burns. I should be equal for everone. I try to be midle of the road. Could you emagine living in Mexico city. When was the last time you looked across the horizon to see clear blue skys? The Sierras don't look like what I remember as a boy looking across the central valley to the snow capped mountain. I try to see it from both sides of the fence.

 

[Blakers]

I'm sure that new construction equipment, farm tractors and other off-road machinery will be designed to be lower polluting by technology and computer controls.



I highly doubt there will be any regulations or inspections on the older machines out there, some of which are over 50 years old and still going.



We all need realize that even the most smoke-belching diesel is putting out less pollution than a gasoline engine. And we should teach others that too.



Blake



PS... I think we need a law to stop all volcano erruptions and to put a stop to all decaying vegetation and methane-emitting wild animals.

 

[dhetrick]

Originally posted by shoveljunk

I operate earthmovers that put out rolling clouds of smoke. It's not fun to get a face full of my own smoke. I don't like haveing to smog check my car when the next county over does'nt have to. California has some of the toughest emissions laws, but allow for agriculteral burns. I should be equal for everone. I try to be midle of the road. Could you emagine living in Mexico city. When was the last time you looked across the horizon to see clear blue skys? The Sierras don't look like what I remember as a boy looking across the central valley to the snow capped mountain. I try to see it from both sides of the fence.

Have you looked at the allpar.com biodiesel artical? What do you think? Would it be possible for your employer to consider a 20% blend to clean up his emissions. Plus all the benifits biodiesel brings to the motor. If nothing else allow your earthmover as a experiment. Providing your fuel lines will accept biodiesel. There is a web sight to change over fuel lines to accept biodiesel. http://www.greasel.com

 

[Blakers]

What kind of benefits can biodiesel bring to an engine? I bet if the exhaust smelled like french fries the operator would be hungry all the time and get fat!:--)



Blake

 

[dhetrick]

According to www.pipeline.to/biodiesel a link from the www.allpar.com/ed/biodiesel.html artical. 20% Biodiesel - 80% diesel provides higher cetane and better lubrication properties than 100% diesel. This helps lubricate fuel pumps, fuel injections, and valves. Also acts as a cleaner. Keeping your fuel injectors clean to provide a nice mist/spray. Keeps your combustion chamber cleaner. Or it will clean your combustion chamber if used.

It's probably more cost friendly if useing 20% biodiesel blend to diesel fuel. Looks like you do not have to change timeing untill you use 100% biodiesel. The less you use our sulfer diesel. The less acids go into the atmosphere. Acid rain. That's why Europe can run more diesel vehicals. Less sulfer in thier fuel.



At the www.pipeline.to/biodiesel click on biodiesel basics. They have subjects on blending and cold weather use, how does biodiesel compair to diesel, ect... There is also a link to find a distributor in your state. Please read all the links at this sight. I think your questions will be answered.

 

[Blakers]

I work at a fatty acid plant and some of what we make is exactly the same as biodiesel - split soybean oil - the glycerin is split off of it. I'm not sure if biodiesel is distilled, but we do that here too. I haven't tried to run any of it in a diesel.



They say the most efficient way to make biodiesel is from algae.



Blake

 

[Ramafid]

I understand that they are going after the off-road diesels and at the same time allowing power plants to increase emissions. They ( the administration) are saying its too costly for the power companies to fix their emissions so they don't have to. I guess they have to after diesels again and give them a black eye for emissions. I think the study said that off-road diesels account for 8500 extra deaths a year and I forget how many billions or millions of dollars in health care costs. What a crock!

 

[Blakers]

All of this going after diesel stuff was all started by Clinton and in the works long before G. W. got elected. G. W. is trying to cut much of it back and be more reasonable. Give him time and I think he'll pull back even more of the environmental extremist wacko stuff.



Blake