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Anybody else get laid off today?

Just listening to a local radio station. They stated that the average bus driver in NYC makes $50,000. 00 A YEAR!!!!!!!!!! And they want a raise to $60,000. 00!!!!!!!!!

Sit on your ARSE all day and drive a bus for 50K...

Geez, did I go wrong!
 
Forget the raise... .

They want to increase retirement age, cut healthcare for new workers... .



And the union is not allowed to strike. bullcrap, that is the only recourse they have and who gave says they cannot stike. I'm not a union guy by anymeans and this again shows too much govt power taking over.
 
I just did a salary comparison at one of those free sites and to live in NYC at the same "standard of living" as I'm currently at the wages would have to double. :eek:



100% cost of living increase to move there---so that $50,000 they make there would be equivalent to $25,000 here. That doesn't get you much. :(
 
They want an 8% raise per year for the next 3 years, city is offering 8% total for the next three years I think.

Current employees can retire at 55 with full bennies and medical, city wants to change it for new hires to 62 and contribute 1% toward mecical, current employees keep their retirement and bennies as is.
 
Why not try to get the retirement age as high as possible? Hopefully you'll die before you can retire and the poor corporations can use the money for something more beneficial to their survival (like moving your job overseas).
 
NEW YORK (Dec. 20) - Commuters trudged through the freezing cold, rode bicycles and shared cabs Tuesday as New York's bus and subway workers went on strike for the first time in more than 25 years and stranded millions of riders at the height of the Christmas rush. A judge slapped the union with a $1 million-a-day fine.









The sanction was levied against the Transport Workers Union for violating a state law that bars public employees from going on strike. The city and state had asked that the union be hit with a "very potent fine. "



"This is a very, very sad day in the history of labor relations for New York City," State Justice Theodore Jones said in imposing the fine.



The union said it would immediately appeal, calling the penalty excessive.



The strike over wages and pensions came just five days before Christmas, at a time when the city is especially busy with shoppers and tourists.



The heavy penalty could force the union off the picket lines and back on the job. Under the law, the union's 33,000 members will also lose two days' pay for every day they are on strike, and they could also be thrown in jail.



The courtroom drama came midway through a day in which the walkout fell far short of the all-out chaos that many had feared. With special traffic rules in place, the morning rush came and went without monumental gridlock. Manhattan streets were unusually quiet; some commuters just stayed home.





Taking Sides







Adam Rountree, AP ''This is a fight over dignity and respect on the job, a concept that is very alien to the MTA. ''



-- Union President Roger Toussaint



1/6





The nation's biggest mass-transit system ground to a halt after 3 a. m. , when the union called the strike after a late round of negotiations with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority broke down. The subways and buses provide more than 7 million rides per day.



New Yorkers car-pooled, shared taxis, rode bicycles, roller-skated or walked in the freezing cold. Early morning temperatures were in the 20s. Mayor Michael Bloomberg joined the throngs of people crossing the Brooklyn Bridge by foot.



"Hey, can I get a ride?" Jay Plastino asked a neighbor near his home in the northern tip of Manhattan. Plastino, who was headed to his midtown job, was angry at the union: "This is a big city. Don't they realize that?"



By Tuesday's evening rush hour, crowds were thick at both Penn Station and Grand Central Terminal as commuters waited for trains on the two suburban rail lines, where ridership had soared earlier in the day. The Long Island Rail Road, operating out of Penn Station, carried 50,000 more passengers above its usual 100,000.



Gov. George Pataki said the union acted illegally and "will suffer the consequences. " But union attorney Arthur Schwartz accused the MTA of provoking the strike.



No negotiations were scheduled between the two sides, although a mediator from a state labor board was meeting with both union and MTA officials Tuesday afternoon.



The MTA asked the Public Employment Relations Board to formally declare an impasse, the first step toward forcing binding arbitration of the contract, said James Edgar, the board's executive director.



It was the city's first transit strike since an 11-day walkout in 1980, which happened in much warmer April weather. The effect this time, however, was tempered by the advent of personal computers, which enabled many commuters to stay home and work via the Internet.



Others boarded water taxis along the Hudson River, or jumped into carpools. Many lined up in the cold to await private buses arranged by their employers, or shared yellow cabs with strangers. There was a minimum $10 fee for cab riders.



"The city is functioning, and functioning well considering the severe circumstances," the mayor said. The union "shamefully decided they don't care about the people they work for, and they have no respect for the law. Their leadership thuggishly turned its back on New York City. This strike is costing us. "





A key issue is the MTA's proposal to raise the age at which new employees become eligible for full pension from 55 to 62, which the union says is unfair.



Jack Akameiza, 66, was trying to figure out a way to go the nine miles from Manhattan to Coney Island. "I cannot go to work," he said. "I cannot take care of my family. "



Some commuters were upset at the union, others with management. Some, as they made their way to work, blamed both sides.



"It's two arrogant groups not caring that 7 million people are inconvenienced," said Kenny Herbert, 45, of Brooklyn, who took the train to work Monday night but needed a water taxi across the East River to get home.



The International TWU, the union's parent, had urged the local not to go on strike. Its president, Michael O'Brien, reiterated Tuesday that the striking workers were legally obligated to resume working. The only way to a contract, he said, is "not by strike but continued negotiation. "



The first day of the strike was expected to cost the city $400 million in revenue, with an additional loss of $300 million per day afterward, according to the city comptroller's office. Countless stores and restaurants were affected.



The mayor put into effect a sweeping emergency plan, including a requirement that cars entering Manhattan below 96th Street have at least four occupants.



Lorraine Hall came to New York expecting a lighthearted celebration of her 65th birthday, but the lack of mass transit put a damper on the occasion. She was determined to make the best of it until her departure on Friday.



"I didn't come up here to sit in a hotel room, and as long as my two feet are letting me push it, I'm going to push it," said Hall, who lives in Lancaster, S. C.



The union said the latest MTA offer included annual raises of 3 percent, 4 percent and 3. 5 percent. Pensions were another major sticking point in the talks, particularly involving new employees.



Union local president Roger Toussaint said the union wanted a better offer from the MTA, especially when the agency has a $1 billion surplus this year.



The contract expired Friday at midnight, but the two sides had continued talking through the weekend.





12-20-05 19:58 EST
See what comes of this... .
 
On the plus side I drive to work now with very little traffic. :D I am about 30min from the GW Bridge. You need minimum of 4 people to enter Manhattan
 
When Septa (phila area) went on strike a month or 2 ago, all the NY reporters were gloating "we could never have this problem in NY because they are not allowed to strike here. " All I can say is "How's it feel now buddy?"



AS far as the retirement, They probably have a large group of baby boomers just about to hit 55 with 30 years time and it will break the pension bank unless they can do something. These transit agencys are not making a ton of money. If they have to put more money in a pension plan they have to raise rates, and the "joe public" don't want that.



The union has to be careful, look at what happened to those that retired from US steel! I used to work with a guy who had retired but had to go back to work. US steel was paying him 10c for each dollar he should have been getting from his pension.
 
I work in Manhattan.



I don't think the strike is about moving TWU jobs overseas. I don't think the technology exists. If it did, I don't think the populace would trust it.



As I reqad the press the MTA wants to raise the retirement age for people that have not yet been hired from 55 to 62. I also hear they want to ask them ot pay 1% of their medical. Again, these people have not yet been hired. Does anyone out there think that anyone (TWU member or otherwise) is so magnanamous as to risk a 2 day pay fine for each day on strike to benefit people that are not yet hired? I don't. People just starting out today are being asked by social security to wait even longer than that to retire and no one is striking over that. Many companies have health insurance with a co pay. Those companies are not striking.



No matter what anyone says, I believe the strike is about a pay raise for the union members. I am not a union memmbre and I am not putting them down. Anyone gets paid what they are willing ot work for. It has also been said that the MTA is arrogant. It was not that long ago that they raised the fare. I read of a suit saying that it ws not fair / legal. I thought that I heard that the increase was ruled improper. I didn't see the fair go down. I read that there is a $1 Billion dollar surplus. The TWU is saying they can get their raise out of that. What would be wrong with giving the Billion back to the commuters. Whether $50K a year is a lot or not is debatable. Many of the commuters forking over $2 a ride don't make even that much. They can't afford a fare increase.



I ride the bus every day, I have seen really nice kind acts done by the operators for people that need help. These people do deserve respect. It is a way bigger picture than that in NYC, or anywhere else for that matter.



If they get a raise, I and others pay for it. we don't get anything. For the moment we are out in the cold trying to make a living. Also ask yourself. Should anyone benefit from braking the law? If they can, can I , can you? Where would that leave us?



Well, that ought to get me in some trouble somewhere.
 
Raise deserved or not, the TWU should be shot.



The strike, clearly illegal, is bad enough. One week before Christmas and in the winter cold shows how callous the TWU is. How many other mass transit patrons can't get to work because of the TWUs arrogance?



Fire them all like Reagan did to the air traffic controllers. That'll wake em up.
 
No strike 'just happens'. Contracts are deliberated way in advance to prevent just such an occurence. Seldom do strikes happen when compared to all the other union contracts that are negotiated and agreed upon peacefully. There's usually a great injustice being perceived before a strike vote happens. And, it takes a majority vote from all members to go on strike. Remember that these people have families to take care of just as well as the commuters that ride the transit. They want to better their lives and secure a future just as we do. They also are not receiving wages but being docked 2 days pay for every 1 of the strike. Does anyone think that they are wealthy enough to just shrug off their loss of income. It's the holiday season for them too.



There's got to be info that we aren't privy to. You hear alot of rumors about negotiations, but they are closed proceedings between the company and negotiating committee members that the union members only get to see, and vote upon, when the closed doors are open. It's not like driving through the fast food restaurant.



If groups can stand up to abolish prayer from schools, stop saying the pledge of allegiance, burn the flag, take donated commandment displays from gov't property and sue me for hurting their feeling then why can't these people stand up for themselves.



There's no law that sates that people must use public transportation any more than there is a law stating you have to have and use a car. If my car won't get me to work I keep 2-3 backup plans I can fall back on instead of ****'n and moaning about the inconvenience and missing work.



Seems to me that with the schools on winter break that the mayor could put the school busses into service for commuters. But, you won't hear about that happening.



Thats my outlook, I'm off the box :-laf
 
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