O.K great ... Everyone's making their own fuel ...

[Matt400]

Bureacrats , gotta love 'em, eventually they will save the world

:-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[DieselTim]

Bio processor

Please be very careful with any processing that is done in a plastic tank. It order to get a proper reaction (fuel from oil) you will have to heat the oil to 130F. If you do that in a plastic tank you will have a melt down of the tank and have a really good chance to have a big fire. Fuel Meister will not admit it but they stopped heating their tanks after 3 house fires were reported. Just FYI.



Dieseltim

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Please be very careful with any processing that is done in a plastic tank. It order to get a proper reaction (fuel from oil) you will have to heat the oil to 130F. If you do that in a plastic tank you will have a melt down of the tank and have a really good chance to have a big fire. Fuel Meister will not admit it but they stopped heating their tanks after 3 house fires were reported. Just FYI.



Dieseltim

Thanks for the info !

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Please be very careful with any processing that is done in a plastic tank. It order to get a proper reaction (fuel from oil) you will have to heat the oil to 130F. If you do that in a plastic tank you will have a melt down of the tank and have a really good chance to have a big fire. Fuel Meister will not admit it but they stopped heating their tanks after 3 house fires were reported. Just FYI.



Dieseltim

Are you sure about the heat range to melt a poly tank? My poly tanks we use for hauling stock water for our livestock have seen temps over 160 degrees without any issues. We have filled them with boiling water in the winters when the previous days water has frozen in them. It also keeps the water warm enough to prevent freezing until I can get out to the pastures to fill the actual drinking tubs, but rarely is above 100 degrees by then.

 

[DieselTim]

poly tanks

I think the problem has more to do with the insert that is installed in the bottom of the tank and the weight of the piping installed on it, as the whole thing gets hot the treaded part lets go and falls out dumping all of the WVO and methanol mix out on the ground, big mess unless you happen to have a flame nearby then it becomes a really big fire. Think I would rather be safe then sorry, I will stick with all steel tanks.



Dieseltim

 

[hammersley]

What TDR members should do is band together

and have say 5-6 guys do this as a project... I mean purchase and manage. Somebody gets the fuel, somebody mixes, everybody buys... . or whatever. I would think we could get together and help each out..... Getting the oil I think is the problem.

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Getting the oil I think is the problem.

Not in Alabama where we were just transferred to. There is a fat fryer in every address in this town. I have never seen so many unhealthy places to choke and clog one's arteries shut.

If you have ever visited a "Waffle House", you know what I mean. The manager's of several I have spoke to had no problem with me taking it if I sign a release of liability for them. (one suggested that I buy the contents of their fryer tank for $1. 00 so there is a purchase to keep him clear of any transport concern, or processing liabilities. He also at the same time offered to buy any fuel I have left over back from me as an individual). Now I just have to find a legitimate and honestly written fact book on the stuff to decide if its worth the processing liability in a residential area, and if my engine will survive the long term issues of it.



Interestingly enough, none of the businesses in the area I approached had ever been asked about collecting their fryer oil. Must not be a big deal down here, or just too much of a hippy idea to pursue?...

 

[therabbittree]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAgnoli

Sorry, and to the tax question, I feel I pay enough in taxes living in NYS, however, please mr. tax man prove to me that I have made enough fuel to justify paying the taxes.



You can bet that NYS will be the first state to implement some tax collection process on Biodiesel. As it is, we can't buy new VW TDi's in this state because they don't meet the emmissions requirements. (But, we sure can buy them used... ... . GO FIGURE)







Set up an out of state entity and purchase the vehicle with it, You can do this with a LLC or personal corporation. It amazes me the refusal of emissions boards to accept the TDI's. My neighbors was clean, hardly ever smoked at all, only in the dead of winter. It had over 180,000 miles on it. Try that with a ford escort or chevy cavalier and run a smog test on it. Bureacrats , gotta love 'em, eventually they will save the world

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Well all the above, is not NYS or NYS DEC or NYS DMV issue. It is a VW of America issue. I work for NYS DEC enforcing the laws and DEC does not restrict tdi's. The DMV is going by the EPA ruling. Which is a VW of America thing . . because they apply it to make more $, its is a Emissions credit issue . VW gets so many Emissions credits per car and VW decides to cut tdi credits in certain states to meet the emissions credit standards for those states. Cutting emission credits from tdis allows VW of America to sell more gasser VWs ie make more $ with the same emission credits available to use. Ie... its a VW of America money scheme. A Royal Pain in the butt. I would imagine diesels would sell more now with gas and diesel over $3 a gallon. go figure. All of my vehicles are Diesel, I have a few tdi's, and I am a diesel enthusiast. Believe me NYS or NYS DEC or DMV do not have any thing against TDI's etc. . they are following the EPA and, VW of Americas application of the EPA rules.

Thanks

Deo

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Quote:

A Royal Pain in the butt. I would imagine diesels would sell more now with gas and diesel over $3 a gallon. go figure. All of my vehicles are Diesel, I have a few tdi's, and I am a diesel enthusiast. Believe me NYS or NYS DEC or DMV do not have any thing against TDI's etc. . they are following the EPA and, VW of Americas application of the EPA rules.

Thanks

Deo

In a word, RIIIIIGHT!!



The reality of NY is just as it always has been. The state wants maximum taxes for anything that they can get their filthy leeching hands around. If NY put tax incentives and Emmisions credits in effect for the TDI's and diesels in general, you sure can bet the gates would open wide to TDI's. Targeting the corporations as the fault issue is the entire problem with fed/state agencies. Rather than do something to actually promote a change that is beyond the impotent effects of a "feasiblity study", or "census", the powers that be would rather pass the built onward. GREAT WAY TO GOVERN!!!

I pay over $2,400. 00 in taxes a year for a farm house (family trust for 80 years) in Onondaga County that I haven't lived in since I was in highschool. The property is agricultura at best and is worth less than $70,000. 00 in actual appraised value. I paid less while stationed in San Diego for a beach area home with 4 times the property value. Must be the high quality of employment NY offers, oops, forgot, the State and county has pushed all the corporations out through tax burdens.

The innocence of NYS is only believed by some schmuck who can't tie their shoes or wipe their own backsides.

Don't take this personally, but redirecting blame is all I hear from NYS officials or agencies.

 

[therabbittree]

Man, What do you want me to do about it?... I was interested in this myself ( because I have TDIs and I am quite active with them etc) a fews years back, I dug around and got the info I had posted earlier. I did not shift the balme? And i personally have worked with Heads of the DEC Air Resources, specifically diesel emission testing etc. and they even said it has nothing to do with them. Same with the DMV... . again it falls on VW Of America and the EPA regs ... I don't see how that is shifting blame. I think its a stupid policy myself. I guess NYS could go out and give a incentive for people to buy a TDI or something to get VW to allow them sold here etc. . If you go to a VW Dealer they will tell you its NYS's fault etc, DMV my say its DEC. . and DEC has told me its VW or EPA not NYS... Oh well. I am a low low low man on the totem pole and I guess I will keep quiet... .

Thanks,

Deo