O.K great ... Everyone's making their own fuel ...

[ToolManTimTaylor]

So when are the Fed's going to start coming out in droves and slapping wicked fines on everybody for tax evasion?? I bet it will happen You watch. I got to thinking of this the other day and it really kinda sorta is the same thing as burning red fuel no? AND with the advent of diesel secret one ingredient is kero ... Hmmmmmmmmm.

 

[smokejunkie]

Even if you get fined, its still probably cheaper than paying $3-4 per gallon

 

[btanner]

you can produce up to 1200 gallons a year for personal consumption. So if you are using about half of your fuel as diesel and half home brew you can drive 36000 miles a year at 5 miles per gallon. There are rules and regulations and they are pretty leinent, but they might change soon



-ben

 

[ToolManTimTaylor]

Ben ... you da man! THAT is something I had no idea existed. Is that a national type thing or local?

 

[djbobo]

Can it be considered a fuel additive when mixed with #2?



1% #2 and 99% bio.



Is that what is implied when you run a B99 mix?

 

[btanner]

well there seems to be some disinformation concerning production of the fuel. There are specific tax laws covering this.



IRS Publication 510 covers some of the tax related issues concerning Blended Fuel and Excise Taxes.



IRS Form 720 is used to file Excise Taxes.



This is a summary of the information we have on the topic of taxes and Biodiesel production:



There IS a tax on diesel fuel and blended diesel fuel. This tax also applies to Biodiesel fuel.



This tax is paid by submitting Form 720 Quarterly Federal Excise Tax Return.



The person that produces the blended diesel fuel, outside the bulk transfer / terminal system (blender), is liable for the tax which is imposed under IRC section 4081(b) upon sale or removal.



The number of gallons of blended diesel fuel subject to the tax is the difference between the total number of gallons of blended diesel fuel removed or sold, and the number of gallons of previously taxed fuel used to produce the blended diesel fuel.



An exclusion from tax on the "blended taxable fuel" mixture is provided in Treasury Regulations section 48. 4081-1(c)(1)(ii) for minor blending if: during any calendar quarter the removal or sale of the mixture in aggregate by the blender is less than 400 gallons.



For more information and to view these documents go directly to www.irs.gov and click on Publications/Forms. Look for Publication 510 and Form 720



from http://freedomfuelamerica.com/products/faq.asp



-ben

 

[fortunate1]

Watch for this thread next...

"I got stopped by the revenuers, and they dipped my tank for red-dyed diesel. Then they sniffed my exhaust for french fries. "

 

[BDeArmon]

2 questions for those who are actually producing their own bio...



1: How much *stink* does the process produce (don't want to **** the neighbors off too bad)



2: what to do with the waste from the process? How do you properly and legally dispose of it?

 

[btanner]

smells like fuel. The worst smell is the methanol (smells like race fuel) if you keep it in the containers and do all of the brewing in a closed system is relly only smells when you are transferring it. There really isn't anything to dispose. There's glycerine which you can use for shop soap (works pretty well to get heavy grease off) or you can sell it to a local soap or fragrance shop that makes their own stuff. They'll actually pay pretty well (at least around here)



-ben

 

[Matt400]

O. K great... Everyone's making their own fuel...

I still find it not cost effective. It reminds me of when I quit cutting my own fire wood. I find I can make out better at work with a little overtime if I need to vs taking time to do it myself. I realize not everyone has the opportunity to work more in the trade they know and for those with time to spare it makes more sense.



I also wonder if its that great of a deal why the ones doing it are not doing enough to sell to friends and neighbors, that would probably get the Fed's going!

 

[soslow91]

smells like fuel. The worst smell is the methanol (smells like race fuel) if you keep it in the containers and do all of the brewing in a closed system is relly only smells when you are transferring it. There really isn't anything to dispose. There's glycerine which you can use for shop soap (works pretty well to get heavy grease off) or you can sell it to a local soap or fragrance shop that makes their own stuff. They'll actually pay pretty well (at least around here)



-ben

Actually unless your using sulfuric acid to convert ffa's back to something usable (esters?) you will have glycerine and SOAP



Excess methanol can be recovered from the glycerine with some heat and until this is done the glycerine should be regarded as toxic. It can then be sold burned or used for whatever and is biodegradable.





Soap is usually considered worthless and gets composted (also biodegradable) but can be made into fuel if you feel like buying (and handling) sulfuric acid to keep from throwing away something that was probably free.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Thinking of other ways to use the WVO... . how about a diesel generator that if you had the fuel for free to run, what all would you use it for. How about heating your house..... electric... ... diesel powered wind mill for use of making electric to sell back to the electric compainies... ... well... . ?



I dont know how you would make it run on Chocolate milk though... ... I heard a long time ago ... TMTT knows about that for some reason... :-laf :-laf

 

[CAgnoli]

I have a diesel tractor, and the CTD, so for me, driving a 1000 miles a week, and mowing my lawn for four hours a week, the Fuel Mizer is making some sense. I am waiting on a brochure from them.



I will note, I'm going to try and get some agreements with local restaurants, prior to purchasing this thing. I'd hate to spend 3k, and not be able to source the waste oil... . Is anyone having trouble sourcing the WVO???

 

[CAgnoli]

Sorry, and to the tax question, I feel I pay enough in taxes living in NYS, however, please mr. tax man prove to me that I have made enough fuel to justify paying the taxes.



You can bet that NYS will be the first state to implement some tax collection process on Biodiesel. As it is, we can't buy new VW TDi's in this state because they don't meet the emmissions requirements. (But, we sure can buy them used... ... . GO FIGURE)

 

[bighornram]

Can it be considered a fuel additive when mixed with #2?



1% #2 and 99% bio.



Is that what is implied when you run a B99 mix?

I believe I read somewhere that if you are using the biodiesel as an ADDITIVE you are not taxed. You must justify your useage as an additive. IE: To provide improved lubrication and as an aid to decrease emission levels.

 

[DSullivan]

I just add the filtered wvo into the main tank and run a mix of wvo/diesel so far so good

 

[PKitzman]

Actually Mr. Tax Man I never got this darn Biodiesel making contraption to work right and never put a drop in my tank that I made... :-laf

 

[CMullen]

"These things will burn just about anything"... If the revenuers here that they be taxing hore manure just in case they'll burn that... . :-laf

 

[Huff N Puff]

I pull the glycerine out of the veggie oil

I just add the filtered wvo into the main tank and run a mix of wvo/diesel so far so good

Stuff is like watered down molassis it will eventually gum up the rings & injectors after awhile. Pour some unprocessed wvo on a surface let it sit awhile see how sticky it gets. Wouldn't want it in my fuel system.

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Sorry, and to the tax question, I feel I pay enough in taxes living in NYS, however, please mr. tax man prove to me that I have made enough fuel to justify paying the taxes.



You can bet that NYS will be the first state to implement some tax collection process on Biodiesel. As it is, we can't buy new VW TDi's in this state because they don't meet the emmissions requirements. (But, we sure can buy them used... ... . GO FIGURE)

Set up an out of state entity and purchase the vehicle with it, You can do this with a LLC or personal corporation. It amazes me the refusal of emissions boards to accept the TDI's. My neighbors was clean, hardly ever smoked at all, only in the dead of winter. It had over 180,000 miles on it. Try that with a ford escort or chevy cavalier and run a smog test on it. Bureacrats , gotta love 'em, eventually they will save the world