OFF-ROAD DIESEL FUEL.... AKA Running The Red

[DieselMinded]

Just Courious ,,,



Would it be Mechanically safe to run Off road fuel in ... . lets just say a ... . 2002 Ctd.



Set BAcks ???



Theres more of a diffrence then just RED DIE right ????



More Sulfer???



I know of a few PSD boys who are running it just Courious if theres any draw backs Other than Legal issues



Thanks



DM

 

[mberry]

No real issues unless you run it consistently. The higher sulfer could possibly damage your injectors after a while. The biggest drawback is in your wallet if you get caught running it.



As a friend once told me "You're so broke your wallet sucks into your ***. "

 

[EMD Diesel Power]

The higher sulfur shouldnt bother the injectors any... . if anything it helps with more lubricity for the system.



Off Road fuel is basically the same as on road... . only two differences are the higher sulfur content and the red dye. Warning... . once you run red fuel, it may take a 5-10 tankfuls to flush the dye evidence out--- along with quite a few fuel filters. That stuff is potent--doesnt take much to red dye everything.



Also remember the fuel systems on our trucks utilize a return... . one of the reasons it will take awhile to flush the dye out... if ever.



I wouldnt run it... . all the inspector would have to do is hit the water drain on the filter... and you;re screwed. It will show up.

 

[ndurbin]

Most off-road diesel is the same as on-road just dyed a different color.



I'm not sure on it being higher sulfer tho. Unless it is specifically refined that way I guess, but if it was harder on injectors why do so many tractors and other off-road equipment go so long before they go bad (as many have the same engines in OTR trucks and pickups)? No trying to critize just thinking out loud.



Nathan

 

[DieselMinded]

I know the Fed's prorate For 1 Year ... . if your Busted . .



But thats if its a company vehical ... . if they have NO DUE CAUSE to check a regular road truck then why would they ???



And the penelty is not prorated if its a non comercial vehical even if someone was to get away with it for 3 weeks ... ... and got busted somehow ... . they would probly still be ahead in the game ??



Dont know just courious ... how much cheaper is Off Road Diesel Anyway ?



DM

 

[MD500E]

In pa it has been around 53-61 cents tax.

 

[Dl5treez]

"Off-road fuel" is non-taxed fuel..... so in a perfect world if you deduct the state & local taxes from #2 diesel you'll end up at the price for "off-road" #2 diesel, which depending on locale could be $0. 45-0. 75 per gallon cheaper.



In South Dakota, the minimum fine for running non-taxed fuel is $500. It then goes up depending on the gallons in the vehicle, total fuel capacity, etc. In this state there is no prorate; they only get you for what you have onboard, or what you can carry, at the time of the infraction.



Hope that helps.

 

[DieselMinded]

So off road diesel is perfectly fine to run in a 24V CTD maybe even better ?



DM

 

[juicedcummins]

Works perfect.

 

[DieselMinded]

Good To Know



DM

 

[Dl5treez]

Most of the off-road fuel is simply plain old #2 or #1 diesel oil with the dye added to denote non-taxed fuel.



Off-road fuel with a higher sulfur content is still available in certain areas. Depending on the ppm of sulfur you can even smell it at times.

 

[DBrickel]

It will hurt a lot if you get tested and found running it. I have heard the staters are doing sporatic dip tests

 

[Donniey1]

I heard if you let red fuel sit out in the sun for a few day if will fade out the die.

 

[mberry]

Most off-road diesel is the same as on-road just dyed a different color.



I'm not sure on it being higher sulfer tho. Unless it is specifically refined that way I guess, but if it was harder on injectors why do so many tractors and other off-road equipment go so long before they go bad (as many have the same engines in OTR trucks and pickups)? No trying to critize just thinking out loud.



Nathan

I think it has to do with the differences in pumps and injectors. Off road equipment does have some mechanical differences with on-road equipment even if they are the same engine.

 

[Mokerz]

I know someone whose truck has rarely been run on regular diesel. In other words it has only been run on the red stuff, and he has not had a problem, and has been doing it for about 150,000 Heck around here almost everyone runs it. When we fill up at the local filling station it gets pumped right into the tank. I have never heard of anyone getting caught... . Guess our time is coming.

 

[DieselMinded]

So how many miles are on your truck mokerZ ?

 

[Turbo Tim 1]

I would guess that with the current prices they'll be checking pickups all over the place now.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Anybody remember art class in school?



Red ain't the most powerful color, if we could find some blue dye.....

 

[nickleinonen]

Off-road fuel with a higher sulfur content is still available in certain areas. Depending on the ppm of sulfur you can even smell it at times.

at work we use higher sulfer fuel and it is blue...

Anybody remember art class in school?



Red ain't the most powerful color, if we could find some blue dye.....

you get purple fuel. i see it all the time. at work, our fuel is blue, and when a loco comes in with like 1/4 tank left [4,000 liters left out of ±18,000 liters] and it had been filled by a tanker truck somewhere with red, and we pump in our blue fuel, you get purple fuel... a very intense neon blue dye would make it a bright purple...



how 'bout neon green dye? that would give you a yellowy color right? [i can't remember the colors how they mix, as in paint, red, blue, yellow are primary, in tv's red, blue, green are used... ?]

 

[justinp20012500]

Anyone actually been dipped??



If so, where?



What was the outcome? Fine?



I have heard of dipping at livestock auctions, just not "joe" driving down the street...





Justin



Disclaimer: I have not and will never run the red stuff...