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I was going to post a poll - but let's just try a simple thread format - how many here have actually discovered a potentially engine damaging fault by use of oil analysis they would NOT have been aware of otherwise?



Quite a few here do use oil regular analysis - I wonder on a percentage basis, if it's really worth while?
 
Gary, At work every piece of equipment is on castrol,and they are big on sampling and trending, and yes we do catch quite a few problems before they get out of hand. There is a lot of problems that can be caught with sampling that can not be seen with the eye.
 
Actually, I'm pretty aware of oil analysis in the commercial world - but their scenarios and equipment are usually quite a bit different than those in the private "civilain" sector - and it's those users I was more aimed at. We don't seem to see many significant engine problems or failures directly related to issues that MIGHT have been revealed by oil analysis - sure, a few guys overheat in a long RV pull up a steep grade - or blow an engine in a dragrace or sled pull - but oil analysis wouldn't likely affect those types of failures.



Then there's the guys doing the extended drain bit, who then feel compelled to regularly analyze the condition of their oil to see if it's still doing the job - to each his own, but if *I* felt nervous enough about the condition of my extended oil to do regular analysis, I wouldn't do extended drains to start with...



But that's a whole 'nother issue... ;)



I'm just wondering if oil analysis is really cost-effective for the regular truck owner generally following dealer lube guidelines in ordinary day-to-day operation...
 
I too am interested in this topic !!



I change my oil every 3,750 miles, and get an analysis done every time. I live close to a Caterpillar lab, so the analysis is easy to get and they only charge me $9. 50.



I have yet to see anything out of the ordinary, my numbers are actually a little lower than the ones I have seen posted by others. I just figure it is a nice addition to my maintanence file ! And if I ever sell the truck it would give a potential buyer a nice piece of mind about the way the truck was maintained.



Jeff
 
Gary, Like the boss says "Oil is cheap!If in doubt change it!"



ABSOLUTELY! ;) :D



That's exactly the way I feel about it, and dern sure wouldn't wanna start using stuff so expensive that I then feel compelled to run it forever to get my "investment" back, only to then hafta have it analyzed at regular intervals just to assure myself I am safe...



I've had a fair number done, most on my old '91 before I sold it, and now some on my '02 - but after a couple more on the '02 because of an experiment I'm involved in, think I'll pretty much stop analyzing on other than a VERY infrequent basis...



I really don't think it pays for us more casual owners - but will watch for a few more replies...
 
Hi, I'm new to the disel game and since the topic is oil, what is the preference, petoleum based or synthetic ?

Hope I don't start a war with that question !

:rolleyes:
 
I don't get my Oil analyized Only because I figure that since I change my oil @ 3000 miles why bother. I would like to know about what the finding are though. Good post. .



Greg
 
I'm not scared of oil changes every 3-5,000 miles (depending on how I used it). I run Mobil 1 full syn. At 25 a gallon I don't even flinch. I know I can run a lot longer but all in all if it makes you sleep better then its the right thing. If cost were a problem would you have spent the extra coin to buy a diesel? Thats how I see it. I knew when I got into the diesel world that certain things cost more so I got it that mind set.



I think this next time around which will be fall I'll do an oil test. Find out how it does in the summer heat and then do one in the winter to see how it handles extreme cold.
 
Well, I guess I will start.



While, it is not a BIG problem, my last oil analysis revealed that my soot level was 29% of allowable levels.



That was up from 12% received on the previous sample (15,000 miles earlier with an oil change in between that wasn't analyzed). All other values were lower than the previous test.



I am stock except for 4" exhaust.



After doing a bit of research on TDR, I'll be cleaning my IAT sensor as this appears to influence the soot levels for stock engines.



Both samples were performed on Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5W-40.
 
Fuel analysis

I guess if I was the shop foreman for a fleet of trucks with a bunch of different drivers... oil analysis would make sense... if for no other reason than to establish a maintenance schedule.

Since there are a bunch of folks here running their oil longer than me ( and getting good reports back) I'm not going to worry about it.

Now that the "Frantz" by-pass filter is on (Thanks Gary) and the oil looks squeaky clean... well. . I'm sleeping good at nights.



Mike
 
Now that the "Frantz" by-pass filter is on (Thanks Gary) and the oil looks squeaky clean... well. . I'm sleeping good at nights.

Well, I guess I will give a little input here, since Gary has asked the question. I think I have related this to him before, but I will post it anyway. Just because oil "looks clean", does not mean it is OK!



I have seen several cases (not in the commercial area) that oil analysis has saved engines.

A customer of mine had a 96 CTD, that had a by-pass filter, as well as synthetic in it. He had a total mileage less than 15,000 miles with approximately 7,000 on the oil at the time the analysis was taken. The analysis came back with 4. 0 % fuel in the oil, and the viscosity of the oil was somewhere around a 20 grade. The oil he had installed was a 40 grade, so the viscosity had changed 2 grades !

He was told by the lab to "Check the fuel injection system", so he took it to his dealer, and they suggested he change the oil! He then called the 800 number for Cummins, and was told to get his truck to the dealer and have the injectors and the injection pump checked out, as they thought there was indeed a problem!

He took the truck back, and they removed the injectors first and discovered one of them was not shutting off .



Now if he had not done an oil analysis, (as I see it) he could have changed oil on a continuing basis every 3-5,000 and ... ... ... ... Who knows how long the engine would have lasted!



Another case; Another customer of mine driving a 96 Chevy had been doing oil analysis on his truck for several years, and all the reports came back showing the "Oil was suitable for continued use, change filter/filters, re-sample at next regular interval". He too was using a "by-pass" oil filtering system. (won't mention what kind, as it is insignificant)



The very next sample, he received a "FAX", stating the oil had an extremely large amount of "silicon"(dirt) in it, and suggested he look at the "Air Induction System". He called me, and I went to his place and we proceeded to check the air filter, which looked OK. We then removed the Flexible air tube between the air box and plenum on the engine, and when we straightened the tube out, we discovered a crack between one of the corrugation's in the rubber, which was allowing "unfiltered" air to get in the engine.

Once again, who knows how long the engine would have lasted if this was not discovered!



I have more examples, but I will not post anymore. *I* certainly believe in oil analysis, but that is me... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . everyone is different, and has there own opinions. I see nothing wrong in that!



Wayne

amsoilman
 
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I would sorta expect someone more closely associated with oil related issues to have a few more exposure and insights into more cases - but it still remains a percentage game as to actual problems discovered thru analysis - is it REALLY worth it if only 1 in a thousand customers actually benefit, and THAT possibly only after hundreds of dollars have been spent by an individual for analysis that uncovered virtually nothing...



It's definitely a personal judgement call - only more input can steer owners into the path that best fits them...
 
In answer to the question: on my own vechicle once. showed airborne dirt via silicon. Last service the airfilter had been left half adrift. Payed off there although it took a whole oil change interval to pick it up



At work we send about 40 samples per month and probably one of these is snagged each month.
 
I wonder if the oil samples could get switched during analyis. I change my oil and filter 3-5K miles and don't worry about oil analysis.



The only time I think I would "need" to do an oil analysis would be if I were to go to a synthetic and try to get 25,000 to 50,000 miles BEFORE an oil change. The chance of me running full synthetic in my engine is slim to none. I'm perfectly happy with my smelly Rotella T.



I run full synthetics in the tcase and diffs.
 
Yes! They are a MUST. I have detected several leaks over the years before the equipment was ruined. Fuel leeks in Detroit's and coolant leaks in John Deere and Navistar.



Some equipment I used to manage held so much oil that it's never changed until the sample says so. I have gotten 16,200 some miles from a Cummins before the sample read bad.



One oil sample will do little good. You have to TRACK your findings over the long haul. You must establish a base line, then you'll know what it's telling you. Unless, of course, you buy a used truck and it has a cracked head. Then your first sample will tell you that you just got took.



Oil sample history will help sell equipment too.



Use it!!



Scott
 
One oil sample will do little good. You have to TRACK your findings over the long haul. You must establish a base line, then you'll know what it's telling you

I have said this many, many times!! And it should be done on a Regular basis!



Wayne

amsoilman
 
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