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Can anyone clear up some confusing information I am getting from my local Dodge dealer? My dealer says I have to change the oil and filter every 7500 miles but Cummins says every 15,000 miles using schedule "A". Can someone give me the correct information and a source to verify the info. Thanks in advance.

Dick
 
I'll just pass along little bits of what I've read in the forums and hope someone corrects me...



Usually there is two sets of recommended intervals. "Regular" driving and "heavy duty" conditions. Most car manuals describe any towing or dirty (dusty) conditions as heavy duty.



I've seen several posts about using a bypass filter and going with the extended mileage intervals.



Odds are that both are valid numbers but someone will be able to quote chapter and verse shortly.
 
Unless your truck is kept wrapped in bubble plastic in a sterile temperature controlled room, :D you need to use schedule B which requires oil changes at 7550 miles.



Casey
 
This is from the 2003 service manual:



There are two maintenance schedules that show

the required service for your vehicle.

First is Schedule “B”. It is for vehicles that are

operated under the conditions that are listed below

and at the beginning of the schedule.

• Day or night temperatures are below 32°F.

• Stop and go driving.

• Extensive engine idling.

• Driving in dusty conditions.

• Short trips of less than 16 km (10 miles).

• More than 50% of your driving is at sustained

• high speeds during hot weather, above 90° F.

• Trailer towing.

• Taxi, police, or delivery service (commercial service).

• Off-road or desert operation.

• If equipped for and operating with E-85

• (ethanol) fuel.

NOTE: Most vehicles are operated under the conditions

listed for Schedule (B).


Second is Schedule “A”. It is for vehicles that are

not operated under any of the conditions listed under

Schedule B.

Use the schedule that best describes your driving

conditions. Where time and mileage are listed, follow

the interval that occurs first.

CAUTION: Failure to perform the required maintenance

items may result in damage to the vehicle.




The owners manual tells what is done at each interval depending on schedule, but basically on A the oil changes are at 15000 miles, and on B they are at 7500-there are additional requirements under B like diff fluid changes.



Like the guys said above, and the manual states most people buy these vehicles to do something that puts them under schedule B.
 
JMHO

While the quality of the oil has continued to increase (New CI-4), the demand on that oil as far as our Cummins engines go has probably became easier. My 12V while very clean running can not compete with the clean burning that the new trucks (expecially the 2003+). They never smoke, NO ERG, very clean burning, they run warmer (then our colder running 12Vs). All this means much easier on the oil. I would venture to guess anytime a manufacture increases the oil change interval it is backed up by data breaking every rule but the mileage interval and yet no failures. The 2004. 5 engines are probably the cleanest buring (easiest on the oil) diesel engine made.



Here is my experience with oil change interval in a older 12V that is much harder on oil then todays trucks. I operate my truck breaking almost every item listed in the above list that should mean use Schedule B. I started out with 6K changes (this was the Scheduel A back then... B was 3K) and got tired of dumping 3 gallons every three weeks. I had 60K of oil samples showing the oil perfectly fine for contiened use at 6K. This is with lots fo very heavy towing, in town short trips, and arctic cold winter operations were oil temps would not go above 170 for weeks on end.



I swithced to snythetic oil but no bypass filters system. I found that even out to 24K miles, the oil is just fine. Even while continueing to tow heavy, short trips, -30 winter freeze your azz off operation. While the synthetic oil helps I personally believe it is the clean burning design of these engine that keeps oil in check longer.



Those of you that change at 5 - 7K, I bet the oil has not even started to get very dark yet.



If I bought a new truck, I would without question run at least 10K miles between changes. I would start pulling samples after 10K on the engine at each oil change and use that to push it out to 15K. At the very least changing the oil filter 50% through your dump interval.



What effects oil samples (in my case), Towing heavy in summer heat will cause wear to go up some ( was OK even with 5W30 but think 5W40 to be alittle better). Making lots of smoke (turn up the power) will cause soot to go up some but agian nothing that cause one to shorten the schedule. I never idle but can see that this would not be good especailly if it was not followed with a good heavy tow to heat things up. I was suprised to see that very cold winter operation did not cause much change. Soot never ever got within 20% of the flag point and yet the oil was blacker then black. Never any fuel dulution (winter or idleing).



If you have oil samples from your 2003+ that show oil problems with drains beyond 7500 that would be go to know. I don't think even with heaving towing, winter use, short trips oil drains with regular oil and filters will have a problems out beyond 12K or more.



Sorry to ramble... .



jjw

ND
 
Originally posted by Dean Upson

I don't think anyone on this forum uses schedule A. Dean



I do, but I have dual filters (amsoil). It shows, the dino oil stays clean for the first 10,000km (6k miles) instead of 500km (300 miles)! I plan on staying on schedule A but switch to synthetic. It's so d** cold at winter time up here :D



Dan
 
It was advertised in many articles that the interval for the ***2004. 5** 600 series is now 15,000. However the manual that comes with the new trucks has not been updated -- it is for the "555" trucks. It has the same old schedule. The dealers are still recommending 3750 ( of course$$)



I'd like someone to shed some light on this also
 
My owners manual for the 04 HO says 3750 and 7500. Have not seen the owners manual for the 600.
 
The same engine in a farm tractor has a oil change reccomendation of 200 to 250 hours. That is a engine that is run very hard in the mud,dirt, dust. Just multiply 250 hours by 60 miles per hour. You come up with 15,000 miles.

It seems to me if the same engine used in the dirt can go 15,000 miles between changes, 15,000 miles should be very conservitive in a pickup on the highway?? I have been changing oil on average between 7500 and 8500 miles on my trucks depending on how hard they pull. If they are pulling loads on the highway I change LESS often than if they have no load. .

My new 04. 5 will be on the on the 10 to 15,000 mile change scedule.

WHY WASTE THE OIL? You are never going to run your truck for 500,000 miles any way. I know, I know, the reply will be.

"oil is cheap" or "I am protecting my investment"

This is just the Opinion of a old diesel mechanic, disregard if you have to.

IMHO
 
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I think it is very hard for most of us to get used to the idea of not changing oil every 3000 miles, especially with the price of these trucks at $40,000 now. Of course the service facilities would like to keep it that way.
 
A guy that goes to my church had 2 different s-10 V-6 trucks that he drove 250,000 miles before trading-mostly highway-I asked him one day if the key to such long life was 3000 mile oil changes-he said no, he changed his oil every 12000-15000 miles:eek: That was unheard of then, and way beyond the 5000-7500 Chevy was recommending at the time. I'm kind of with Gonzo 1066-I may go 15000 when it's not below 32 and when I'm not pulling...
 
Originally posted by Gonzo 1066

My new 04. 5 will be on the on the 10 to 15,000 mile change scedule.

WHY WASTE THE OIL? You are never going to run your truck for 500,000 miles any way. I know, I know, the reply will be.

"oil is cheap" or "I am protecting my investment"



I generally agree with you, but my reason for using a 5000-7500 interval is to protect my warranty. A longer interval between oil changes is a ready-made excuse for them to deny warranty coverage. And even if you get them to change their mind you will have gone through a major hassle in arguing with them and may have trashed any good relationship you had with the dealer. Once my warranty has expired due to time or mileage I can see switching over to an oil change interval that suits me. Until that I'm playing by their rules because if I have a problem I'm going to use their rules against them and to my advantage.
 
Do what you have to protect that warranty. It only costs me $28, including 12 quarts of Rotella and the Chrysler filter. Whats is the big deal of changing the oil every 4000 miles or 7000 max. You are going to get absolutely no grief from Chrysler if your engine goes," bang" and it is clean inside. It is simple, don't pay attention to the miles just change that oil when it starts getting fairly dark.
 
I think time interval is very important. An engine that is sitting around and not working is going to suffer from internal corrorsion. The reason bug rigs routinely go 15,000 + miles between changes is that the acids that build up in the oil never get the chance to attack the metal. Diesel oils have varying amounts of corrosion inhibitors that sacrifice themselves to keep the acid levels in your oil in check. Acids for as moisture condenses inside an engine that has been shut down for a while and combines with vaious combustion byproducts which include sulfer. Ever heard of Sulfuric Acid? If the engine is operated often, the excess moisture is driven out of the oil and inhibits the formation of the acids. Sooo.....



If you run lots of miles in nearly continous service a 15,000 mile interval is probably OK. If you only put 2,000 miles on in six months you should change the oil at 2,000 miles. Most of us are somewhere in between these extremes and 7,500 is probably appropriate.
 
2004.5 Owners manual

I just took delivery of my 2004. 5 "600". The owners manual lists the oil change interval for A service as 15,000 miles & B service as 7500 miles.



Big Rig
 
Re: 2004.5 Owners manual

Originally posted by Big Rig

I just took delivery of my 2004. 5 "600". The owners manual lists the oil change interval for A service as 15,000 miles & B service as 7500 miles.



Big Rig



That's exactly the same as my '04. The California trucks use a 3,750 mile interval.
 
You are right jimnance. The number one cause of engine wear is acid corosion after the engine is off. These acids are produced by the combustion process. Common theory is that during startup the parts are un lubricated and wear until the oil gets to them. That is only part of the wear but most engine wear accours when the engine isn't running. when it starts the oil actually helps wash and neutralize the acids and lubricate the engine.
 
I see an oil change as part of an overall maintenace schedule. On my current truck this was done every 5000 along with tire rotation, grease, brake inspection and fluid level level checks. Every 3 oil changes a new fuel filter goes in. Currently have 140,000 mi and I stoppped checking the oil level between changes as it never moves. When my new truck get in, I'm not sure if this schedule will change much. 15,000 mi is an inticing frequency but as my current truck approached 100,000 ... the 5000 mi frequency, and the check done at that time, quickly identified ball joint, track bar and rear brake replacement needs. Something I would have probably missed if I went another 10,000... ... .

Still up in the air on this one... .....
 
Originally posted by Dick Garcia

Can anyone clear up some confusing information I am getting from my local Dodge dealer? My dealer says I have to change the oil and filter every 7500 miles but Cummins says every 15,000 miles using schedule "A". Can someone give me the correct information and a source to verify the info. Thanks in advance.

Dick



I've heard that the interval for California trucks is 7,500 miles, all other states it's 15,000 miles. I haven't seen any data on why California trucks are different. Might have something to do with tighter emissions standards???
 
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