Oregon Taxpayers ... going to take it up the kister next year

[FATCAT]

Well ... it looks like the Oregon tax payers are going to pay up BIG time next year when Measure 23 gets voted in this November.



A new 11. 5% payroll tax

doubling of the income tax



to provide Hitlery Clinton Health Care.



Boy ... I'd get those "House For Sale" signs ready ... your gonna need them.



Oregon will be the flop house for every uninsured person in the country when this thing goes through.





YIKES!!!! :--)

 

[FATCAT]

oh yeah ... forgot

Measure 23

 

[Power Wagon]

It doesn't have my vote (like I actually needed to say that, but... ) for sure.



I can't see people accepting much more. Even the west side of the state's not in much mood for more out of Salem.

 

[merryman]

It sometimes seems to me that the Willamette Valley crowd (the I-5 strip through the northern 1/3 of the state is VERY liberal--and unfortunately contains the majority of the voters in the state), really wants Oregon to have the honor of being the most overtaxed state in the nation.



There has been talk for years of a new state--State of Jefferson--made up of portions of southern Oregon, Northern Calif. and parts of Idaho and Nevada. It will never happen, but there are sure a lot of us who are very tired of the cities running, and taxing, our lives------into the ground.



Vaughn

 

[Joe G.]

Amen Vaughn!! Those of us on the north coast of CA would like to become part of the state of Jefferson for sure. Tired of laws made by LA. Tired of sending water to LA when we need it. Tired of being lumped in with SF and LA when California is being discussed. Always out voted by LA.



Weed would be a good state capital. It has the right name already.

 

[illflem]

Maybe it's time for a sales tax in OR, tap the tourists and passers though for their out of state bucks. The sales tax should come with at least equal percentage drop in state income tax. Montana is going though the same thing right now but every time a state sales tax comes up on the ballot it fails, people just read sales tax and vote no rather than read the rest of bill and see that it will actually lower their taxes.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by Power Wagon

It doesn't have my vote (like I actually needed to say that, but... ) for sure.



I can't see people accepting much more. Even the west side of the state's not in much mood for more out of Salem.

Mark, how do you think I feel? I am over here in Yippie land neck deep in liberals. Many times I feel that I am the only sane person at work... ... scary thought isn't it.

 

[FATCAT]

illflem don't be fooled

illflem,

don't be fooled by the people telling you that if we institute Tax A, Tax B will be lowered ... it has never happend anywhere in this country!



Here in New Hampshire we don't have a income or sales tax and that is the way people (so far) want it.



We have M*******s who have moved up here sing the song of income taxes lowering property taxes or a new sales tax lowering property taxes; but then out the other side of their mouths they talk about new social programs.



Just like drug addicts, poloticians will spend more when given more ... . PERIOD!



People just need to either cut back on programs or do things for them selves. You want to go to college? Don't go to the state to pay the major part ... you pay for most of it. You want trash pick up or street lights, propose it at the next town meeting or contract it your self (trash that is).



Self reliance is what is needed. I'm sick and tired of the GD belly-ackers always wanting other to pay for their wants. People need to plan for expenses in the future otherwise go without.



Taxes = loss of liberty and big gov't.



LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!

 

[merryman]

Illflem; We have the same situation here in Oregon; sales tax has been voted on several times and allways fails based on many of the reasons FatCat gave.

The result is that responsible citizens pay all the cost of government (and I sure agree we have lots too much government at far to great a cost--course wer are lucky we don't get all the gov't we pay for -will rodgers), while many who reap the benefits pay nothing.

The dope dealer doesn NOT pay income tax on his illgotten gains, and likely has no health ins. so when he or his family goes to the emergency room for their routine health needs, the rest of us pay.

The person passing through the state, pays no part of the cost of highways etc, etc. A sales tax would collect from everyone; the doper, the guy who works under the table, the guy who diddles his tax return to avoid showing a profit , the business man who buys all his household requirements through his business to reduce or eliminate any profits, etc-----while the responsible citizen goes on paying it all.

While many of the things FATCAT said are surely true, the sales tax would do a better job of spreading the cost of government to all those who take advantage of our roads, school, hospitals etc.

An exemption for basic food items and not tax on home rental/mortgage payments would avoid hitting the poor too hard.



Well, at least this is my . 02 worth



Vaughn

 

[Sky]

Yup I have been saying this for years we need to go to a sales tax. It make the most sense IMO.