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I have a problem. My PAC Brake is not functioning properly. I have had it for about 5 years and until recently it has been great.



A few months ago, if I did not turn it off at idle, it began to cycle on and off every few seconds until I started up again. It still worked properly when moving. Then, a few days ago, it stuck on and of course I had high EGT, no boost, no power. Turning off the control switch on my gear shift console made no difference. In trying to touble shoot what was wrong, I turned off the engine and began inspecting the intercooler hoses to see if they were connected. Then, I noticed that every 15 to 20 seconds the Pac Brake compressor would rattle like it was trying to operate even though the switch was off and the ignition key was out of the ignition!! I then started the engine, removed the PAC Brake Fuse and immediately the Brake turned off and the truck ran normally.



We were on our way from New Mexico to the St. Louis area for the holidays, and we continued on our way with no more difficulty. While in St. Louis I took it to a well recommended diesel shop. They tried replacing the manual switch, the relay on top of the Pac Brake Compressor and the Throttle Position Sensor. None off those made a difference so they took them all back off. Sometime during the time the truck was in the shop, the brake apparently became unstuck, but again began to cycle on and off while idling.



When I picked it up the shop owner said he thought the problem was the ECM. He said that since they are so expensive, perhaps I could get a secondhand one. Looking on the internet, I have seen a couple in the $700 to $800 range. But another concern is - Are they VIN locked and therefore would not work on my truck? Also, is it possible to get Dodge to reprogram them if I get a used one.



We are heading back to New Mexico tomorrow or the next day and then I will have to try to find some way to get it repaired. We are full time RVers and tow a 17K to 18K trailer so I must have an exhaust brake.



Any ideas or comments on the Brake and the ECM would be appreciated.



Bill
 
I can't see how the ECM would be involved if you had the ignition switch off and the brake was intermittantly activating. Sounds like maybe a short? With the switch off I'd be curious how the brake was getting juice to activate.

Mike
 
Bill, There is a member here by the name "jelag", he is a Pacbrake dealer and seems to be very helpful. You should pm him with your information/problem, I am fairly certain he will respond.
 
If your manual switch is the two speed switch on the shifter, take the ecm out of the loop, run the hot lead to the switch and operate the brake yourself. Mine is wired this way, didn't like microswitch/bracket assy the 2nd gens use, much simpler this way, less to go wrong.



Sam
 
Is the Pac Vacuum actuated? if so It is the solenoid. Over time the piston gets "sticky" and needs a good cleanout and super doucheing of WD as it is a displacement. After a good soak of wd clean up the diverter valve assy using a libera;l coat of spray silicone (Dry lubricant).



I did mine a year after I got the brake and 6 years later I just did it again as it stuck on me again. Just so you all know if you have a vacuum actuated Brake and it does stick on you DO NOT shut down the truck. Simply pull off the vacuum line leading to the actuator off the vacuum feed then simply rock the arm with a screwdriver back to the open condition.



the reason for NOT shutting down is the turbo is just ripping hot as the brake is raising egts and shutting down will stop circulation of oil and shaft speed only let oil cook on the shaft of the now stopped turbo.
 
I had a similar problem with mine and It turned out the control wire to the solenoid had rubbed on metal and was grounding out, makes you realize how much you rely on the exhaust brake when you don't have it!
 
Thanks to everyone for offering ideas and help. I have been working through PMs and separate emails with TDR member Jim Gale (jelag) who is a PAC Brake distributor in Spokane. He has been a big help. We determined the problem is the solenoid, and he will be sending me a new one. It is great to be a TDR member and have so much help available.

Bill
 
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