Performance/Muscle cars. New vs. Old. What is your opinion?

[Wayne M.]

The thing that has always impressed me with the new Challenger is the ease of entry and exit. Could not believe it the first time that I got into one.

They say the doors (old/new) are almost identical size wise.

 

[jgillott]

I forgot all about this thread. Talked to my friend last week. He picked up a partially restored '67 Barracuda with a 383 at the last auction if anyone's interested.

Do you have any details?

 

[BigPapa]

A real deal Formula S?

Do you have any details?

I'll see what I can find out.

 

[BigPapa]

I THINK this is the car:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/LS0916-254416/1967-plymouth-barracuda/

If it is, I was wrong on the engine. It's a 318, not a 383. Must have been one of those "Freudian slips". I will find out for sure from David.

 

[jgillott]

Let me twist this thread back the other direction for a moment. I was speaking to a friend of mine this morning who is a long time owner of a really nice 1967 Chevelle. Factory 327 4-speed, 4.56 gears, factory center console. It is not #s matching and not a SS car.

He is interested in potentially selling it. It is not currently running. 327 was rebuilt 20+ years ago with 80's technology and parts. It needs a rear seal an a fuel pump. His plan is to get it running and list it for $18K.

In our conversation this morning, I said that I'm not even interested in that 327 and would just pull it anyway if I bought it. He had some interest in keeping the engine and possibly trans as a project. We didn't talk specifics, but what would be considered a fair offer on that car as a roller? I want to be prepared with a # in mind when I see him tomorrow.

 

[BigPapa]

I THINK this is the car:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/LS0916-254416/1967-plymouth-barracuda/

If it is, I was wrong on the engine. It's a 318, not a 383. Must have been one of those "Freudian slips". I will find out for sure from David.

David emailed the VIN to me last night. According to it the car has a 273. Maybe Mecum listed it wrong? He's going to look at it and let me know.

I don't think that is factory color on the car, either.

 

[jhenderson]

Value is all over the map depending on original sheet metal etc. You could try looking at Grundy ins co. They have a classic car valuation matrix on their website. If you're not keeping the original motor I will say I'm a big fan of GM crate engines. Tremendous value for the money. That would be a fun ride with a mild 502 in it.

 

[Wayne M.]

If you're not keeping the original motor I will say I'm a big fan of GM crate engines. Tremendous value for the money. That would be a fun ride with a mild 502 in it.

How to revv up a Mopar guy.
I was there one an acquaintance put a 454 in a fox body Mustang- back when they were very hot. That's how you revv up a Ford guy.

 

[CRodi]

Let me twist this thread back the other direction for a moment. I was speaking to a friend of mine this morning who is a long time owner of a really nice 1967 Chevelle. Factory 327 4-speed, 4.56 gears, factory center console. It is not #s matching and not a SS car.

He is interested in potentially selling it. It is not currently running. 327 was rebuilt 20+ years ago with 80's technology and parts. It needs a rear seal an a fuel pump. His plan is to get it running and list it for $18K.

In our conversation this morning, I said that I'm not even interested in that 327 and would just pull it anyway if I bought it. He had some interest in keeping the engine and possibly trans as a project. We didn't talk specifics, but what would be considered a fair offer on that car as a roller? I want to be prepared with a # in mind when I see him tomorrow.

Unless you plan on trailering the car to the drag strip, that rear end will be the first thing you'll be replacing.

 

[jgillott]

Unless you plan on trailering the car to the drag strip, that rear end will be the first thing you'll be replacing.

If I can get the deal done, I already have a line on an LS3/6-Speed manual combo. That OD should make it a lot more livable.

This is all just wishful thought at this point. I have a feeling that the seller will get cold feet after he thinks about it over night.

 

[jhenderson]

An LS3 and a Tremic would be great with the 4:56 rear. You'd probably launch in 2nd around town. I hope you get the car.

 

[Wayne M.]

Gears are easy to change. I have 4.56 in my Duster now- building 4.10 to put in. IMHO not practical for hiway even with OD and reasonable tire rollout.

 

[Wayne M.]

IF I hit lotto....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-dodge-super-bee/

just saying

 

[jgillott]

IF I hit lotto....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-dodge-super-bee/

just saying

That would be a great choice.

 

[jgillott]

Update on the '67 Chevelle. The owner's son-in-law is involved now and is adding a little bit of difficulty in even being able to look it over well. I wish I was still in my 20's so I could be an expert in everything.

 

[Wayne M.]

IIRC those box Chevelles had frame rot issues around the steering box to chassis riser area. Look for repairs or worse.

 

[jgillott]

IIRC those box Chevelles had frame rot issues around the steering box to chassis riser area. Look for repairs or worse.

I will. Thanks for the tip.