I'm trying to sort out upgrade options and leaning towards Bosch 275's, DD1's or DD2's in combination with either an Edge EZ, Poweredge or Edge Comp. Which combination, in your opinion, would would give the best smoke control? Is it controllable thru tuning? And what can I expect living at a altitude of 7500 feet here in S. W. Colorado?
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Using the right combination of parts can give huge power increases with near zero smoke.
JRE recipie:
JRE 2 Gauge pillar mount kit
JRE cold air kit
JRE 4" turbo to tail exhaust system
JRE Bosch 275 injectors
Transmission or clutch upgrades
JRE pusher pump kit
BD Plug N Power
Result 350 hp 760 lb torque and no smoke.
JRE recipie:
JRE 2 Gauge pillar mount kit
JRE cold air kit
JRE 4" turbo to tail exhaust system
JRE Bosch 275 injectors
Transmission or clutch upgrades
JRE pusher pump kit
BD Plug N Power
Result 350 hp 760 lb torque and no smoke.
Off the subject a bit
Hey Ted, I noticed in your sig that everything you have is modified. What could you reccomend for a John Deer 1032 Snow blower. Right now I can only launch the snow about 45 feet. I'd like to get it about 90 feet so it hit's my neighbors house. Got a combo for that?
That sled must be a trip to ride, pilot?
Hey Ted, I noticed in your sig that everything you have is modified. What could you reccomend for a John Deer 1032 Snow blower. Right now I can only launch the snow about 45 feet. I'd like to get it about 90 feet so it hit's my neighbors house. Got a combo for that?
That sled must be a trip to ride, pilot?
Bob Wagner
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Ted, Even at 7500' ?
smoke is caused by to much fuel combined with low boost levels . any mods you make that increase fueling will give you low boost smoke .
couple that with your altitude and it gets worse .
you need to speak with guys in your area and see what they ahve for mods and how badly they smoke .
in the case of a pre electronics fueling box i think the EZ gets the nod over the others as it is adjustable as to the level of boost that the extra fueling comes on .
k_arts had drivability problems when he went to a 4" exhaust at his altitude , and if i remember correctly he is at around 4500 - 5500 ? ditch your stock muffler and resonator if favor of a free flowing straifght thru 3" muffler and think about a piers super turbo , again , a message to k_arts would be good as he went this direction with his ram , i pretty sure he has an edge comp and DD2's .
when i had the original VA and 275's , JRE 4" and amsoil filter in the stock box it would smoke at low boost , add in a HOT PE and smoke on level 3 . . i too am at on near sea level .
couple that with your altitude and it gets worse .
you need to speak with guys in your area and see what they ahve for mods and how badly they smoke .
in the case of a pre electronics fueling box i think the EZ gets the nod over the others as it is adjustable as to the level of boost that the extra fueling comes on .
k_arts had drivability problems when he went to a 4" exhaust at his altitude , and if i remember correctly he is at around 4500 - 5500 ? ditch your stock muffler and resonator if favor of a free flowing straifght thru 3" muffler and think about a piers super turbo , again , a message to k_arts would be good as he went this direction with his ram , i pretty sure he has an edge comp and DD2's .
when i had the original VA and 275's , JRE 4" and amsoil filter in the stock box it would smoke at low boost , add in a HOT PE and smoke on level 3 . . i too am at on near sea level .
Veetenjeff, don't laugh, but if you temporilily attatch a tach and tweak the govoner it can increase power by as much as 3 hp.
All small engines are capable of more hp, because they are rated at governed rpm which is usually around 2600 rpm ,you can safely turn them 3500.
torque x rpm divided by 5252 = hp.
Example: Kohler makes a v-twin that is sold from 18 through 25 hp the only difference is Governor settings.
Ok Bob you caught me, naturally there is less oxygen up there, but not to many people live at 7500 ft. I am getting dizzy just thinking about it.
We can now program the new Plug N Power for max smoke control even at 10,000 feet.
All small engines are capable of more hp, because they are rated at governed rpm which is usually around 2600 rpm ,you can safely turn them 3500.
torque x rpm divided by 5252 = hp.
Example: Kohler makes a v-twin that is sold from 18 through 25 hp the only difference is Governor settings.
Ok Bob you caught me, naturally there is less oxygen up there, but not to many people live at 7500 ft. I am getting dizzy just thinking about it.
We can now program the new Plug N Power for max smoke control even at 10,000 feet.
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Bob Wagner
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Hi Les
The BD2's and VA at low boost smoke like a freight train
Once boost is up smoke is gone and so am I
The BD2's and VA are a great combination. I have yet to dyno
The BD2's and VA at low boost smoke like a freight train
Once boost is up smoke is gone and so am I
The BD2's and VA are a great combination. I have yet to dyno
Jpowers...
Let me begin with saying that I live on the North side of Denver, About 5500 ft, and my truck is equipped with one of Bill K's 91% TC, and custom VB, along with dd2 injectors, Piers HX-35 turbo and an EZ box.
John (aka Mopar-Muscle) hit the nail dead smack on the head. When I installed a 4" pipe, I had major performance loss... so I wouldn't even dare think of adding one. If you can try it before you buy it. . Great. But don't purchase one until you try it. The only exhaust change that I would reccomend is to remove the muffler, but leave the resonator in. You will still need limited backpressure on your turbo for it to spool up quickly. Also, I highly recommend one of Piers Hybrid HX-35 turbos. I have one on my truck and it is awesome.
As John said, anytime you add power, your adding fuel. You will have smoke prior to boost being built up. How much fuel you add is pending on how much smoke you will emit. Presently, I can really lay on the smoke if I want to, but as long as I drive in a reasonable manner, I have very little smoke. Though again... once I build up boost... the smoke goes away. If you are really interested in not having smoke, you may want to think about the Edge Comp Box. I have heard many stories in which people can just about dial out all of the smoke.
Though just a warning. At 7500 ft, no matter what injector or box you add, you WILL smoke prior to building up boost.
If I can help out any. . please feel free to call me at 303-885-2875
Hope this helps. .
Kev
Let me begin with saying that I live on the North side of Denver, About 5500 ft, and my truck is equipped with one of Bill K's 91% TC, and custom VB, along with dd2 injectors, Piers HX-35 turbo and an EZ box.
John (aka Mopar-Muscle) hit the nail dead smack on the head. When I installed a 4" pipe, I had major performance loss... so I wouldn't even dare think of adding one. If you can try it before you buy it. . Great. But don't purchase one until you try it. The only exhaust change that I would reccomend is to remove the muffler, but leave the resonator in. You will still need limited backpressure on your turbo for it to spool up quickly. Also, I highly recommend one of Piers Hybrid HX-35 turbos. I have one on my truck and it is awesome.
As John said, anytime you add power, your adding fuel. You will have smoke prior to boost being built up. How much fuel you add is pending on how much smoke you will emit. Presently, I can really lay on the smoke if I want to, but as long as I drive in a reasonable manner, I have very little smoke. Though again... once I build up boost... the smoke goes away. If you are really interested in not having smoke, you may want to think about the Edge Comp Box. I have heard many stories in which people can just about dial out all of the smoke.
Though just a warning. At 7500 ft, no matter what injector or box you add, you WILL smoke prior to building up boost.
If I can help out any. . please feel free to call me at 303-885-2875
Hope this helps. .
Kev
Tighter torque converters also contribute to smoke on take off.
A modified truck that has no smoke problems will, with the addition of a tighter torque converter especially at altitude.
A modified truck that has no smoke problems will, with the addition of a tighter torque converter especially at altitude.
jpowers, because of where you live, just don't go overboard. 275's or DD1's and an EZ could be controllable.
Either injector and a Comp, and it becomes more flexible, because you can adjust the Comp from inside the truck.
You'd probably want to start with a box first, then injectors, but be aware that both a box and injectors could be too much for a stock auto, or clutch.
Either injector and a Comp, and it becomes more flexible, because you can adjust the Comp from inside the truck.
You'd probably want to start with a box first, then injectors, but be aware that both a box and injectors could be too much for a stock auto, or clutch.
If smoke is a concerrn,Id go with 275's and a Comp,When i was all stock,I added just the comp,and it was real nice,plenty of power,no smoke. I added DD3's,now you have to granny it out of the hole,or leave a plume of smoke,but what power!. After i added the DTT 89%,smoking is now almost impossible to avoid,you have to just ease on the pedal to avoid smoke. I get zero smoke under boost though,up to level 3 on the comp box,levels 4 and especially 5 smoke constantly,wide open. The comp's low speed smoke adjustment is real nice,and you get an EZ,and and a power edge in one. this is why i recommend it.
Just got back from a trip to Utah Canyonlands/etc and the North
Rim of the Grand Canyon. At elevations of 8,000 ft up to 10,400 ft at Cedar Breaks. Found that I could eliminate many species of fauna if I just pushed on the fuel pedal. I finally learned to manually shift the automatic from 1st to 2nd to 3rd at 2,000 to 2200 rpm with low throttle to minimize smoke, otherwise it was a freight train.
I also have a DTT 89% and probably would not have been to pull out of some campgrounds and their 15+% grades with the 91% TC while I was at 18,500 lb GCVW. Once I thought I was going to need a pull out before the boost finally built up and got me out.
The next modification I will do will be to install a unmystery switch to lock out the TC lockup. When climbing a 8 percent grade with hairpins the TC keeps locking up and you are below 1500 rpm and lugging the engine/drivetrain. I kept double punching the OD switch to unlock the TC.
Rim of the Grand Canyon. At elevations of 8,000 ft up to 10,400 ft at Cedar Breaks. Found that I could eliminate many species of fauna if I just pushed on the fuel pedal. I finally learned to manually shift the automatic from 1st to 2nd to 3rd at 2,000 to 2200 rpm with low throttle to minimize smoke, otherwise it was a freight train.
I also have a DTT 89% and probably would not have been to pull out of some campgrounds and their 15+% grades with the 91% TC while I was at 18,500 lb GCVW. Once I thought I was going to need a pull out before the boost finally built up and got me out.
The next modification I will do will be to install a unmystery switch to lock out the TC lockup. When climbing a 8 percent grade with hairpins the TC keeps locking up and you are below 1500 rpm and lugging the engine/drivetrain. I kept double punching the OD switch to unlock the TC.
jpowers,
I recently drove across the US in a wide variety of elevations reaching as high as 7900 feet in Wyoming. My truck was equipped with DD Super Mental Injectors and a PE Comp box. Even with the huge injectors the comp can defuel, taking my injectors and running them very close to factory. With the Comp on power level 1 and smoke setting 1 I was able to eliminate the smoke almost completly. I would say the the order to bomb your truck in my opnion would be.
1. Guages (good quality)
2. DD1's or DD2's (don't go with 275's because they give more temps and less power. I tested this on my truck. )
3. Performance Muffler or 4' exhaust (performance much cheeper and will give the same temp drops. )
4. Transmission or clutch mods. ( use good quality to avoid doing again. )
5. PE Comp box (very adjustable).
6. If your truck is a 2001 or 2002 your going to need a turbo.
I would also stay away from a 4' in high elevation because of further increasing turbo lag. I would get ahold of kevin arts as he has some of the updgrades that I talked about.
I recently drove across the US in a wide variety of elevations reaching as high as 7900 feet in Wyoming. My truck was equipped with DD Super Mental Injectors and a PE Comp box. Even with the huge injectors the comp can defuel, taking my injectors and running them very close to factory. With the Comp on power level 1 and smoke setting 1 I was able to eliminate the smoke almost completly. I would say the the order to bomb your truck in my opnion would be.
1. Guages (good quality)
2. DD1's or DD2's (don't go with 275's because they give more temps and less power. I tested this on my truck. )
3. Performance Muffler or 4' exhaust (performance much cheeper and will give the same temp drops. )
4. Transmission or clutch mods. ( use good quality to avoid doing again. )
5. PE Comp box (very adjustable).
6. If your truck is a 2001 or 2002 your going to need a turbo.
I would also stay away from a 4' in high elevation because of further increasing turbo lag. I would get ahold of kevin arts as he has some of the updgrades that I talked about.
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