POD Injector Question

[BOkerberg]

I was doing some research about putting 370 Marine injector tips in a old style body. I think someone on here posted that the PODs still put out more than the 370s. Is this true? The guy I work with at the injection shop showed me in a book the PODs are like 220hp injectors. That is quite aways from the 370hp injectors. I understand the 370hp injectors are rated on a P7100, but still the 370s should be a significant power gain over the PODs. If anyone else has any info on this subject, let me know. Thanks.



Brenton

 

[dpuckett]

One major componenet of the power of a diesel is the injector pump settings. The P7100 is capable of a much larger volume (even after KTA and Greenleaf mods to the VE) of fuel per stroke, thus increasing the fuel getting to the cylinder, anf thus power. The 370 injectors when put on a stock Doge CTD only net about 40hp gain over stock- still nowhere near 370hp. The PODs, I have read, would be a 390 in the same app as the 370s. In other words, about 20 more horses.



Unless you can get the 370 tips installed, balanced, etc, for under $50 apiece, I'd go for a set of PODs, as neither were designed for our piston bowl shape, and I dont think the 370s would be much gain over PODs in terms of smoke, EGT, etc.



Daniel

 

[BOkerberg]

Does anyone have the 370 tip P/N?

 

[BOkerberg]

Anyone else have any info on running 370 tips in the older Cummins?

 

[TXDSLSHOP]

Sent you a PM, Jeremy.

 

[bgilbert]

I know we all like to try something different. But in this case, it's been documented that the POD's flow more the 370's. POD's can be had for cheap and carry a good resale value. You work at an injection shop and can't get the 370 tip part number? How about building a set of EDM's or honing a set of new stock tips at your shop?

 

[BOkerberg]

They don't hone or any of that at this shop. It is basically a stock injection shop. But one of the guys was looking through some books trying to create a different injector. I can get the PODs through them really cheap, but thought if I can get something bigger then to just do that. But it sounds like the PODs are the route to go. Thanks guys.



Brenton

 

[CLiberty]

Hmmm... can they get just the Power Wagon 185 tips? That might be another alternative for you. Less smoke haze AND decent power.

 

[BOkerberg]

Not sure about that one Chris. What is the PN for those tips?

 

[1stgen4evr]

I have a comment that may or may not shed light here on part numbers.



Injection pump knowledge is very tightly held and those in the business are reluctant to give that information away. They pay dearly for it and it is copyrighted and propritary. Any thing you do that isn't 'by the book' is instant void of all warrenty and most shops don't want to go into that territory.



I have some of the books from folks that make tips and other parts and there is NO information what so ever as to what these parts fit. If you know the number, send money and they will send parts. And that is all you will get, period. Consider this; how otherwise could they sell two or three cents worth of metal for several hundred dollars.



This forum is unique in the amount of information that is contained from the various members who have tried some things that worked(in s ome cases not). Even here is isn't completely organized and requires some digging. And that is another reason that TDR is very important to the first genners.



On the PODs, I have an engine from a rust bucket that had PODs installed and some tweaking on the turbo and timing. It is stronger than a 97 that I use some of the time. What would be better? I have no idea as I have nothing else to compare it to. The rest of my trucks are box stock.



If you are on a quest for the absolutly last tad of power, PODs even in combo with some other things probably won't satisfy. But they are noticably different.



James

 

[JRussell3176]

Injection pump knowledge is very tightly held and those in the business are reluctant to give that information away. They pay dearly for it and it is copyrighted and propritary.

I'm not sure you can copyright something that is just a modification to another already patented and copyrighted part.

 

[CLiberty]

Not sure about that one Chris. What is the PN for those tips?

I unfortunately don`t have any #`s, what i was wondering is if the inj shop you were talking about had access to those parts, I figgered I`d toss the idea out there... sorry for the confusion (I`m REAL good at that... the confusion thing that is :-laf ).

 

[BOkerberg]

Will the part number be stamped right in the injector of a POD injector? Who gave those injectors the Prince of Darkness nickname? Thanks.



Brenton

 

[OKish]

Will the part number be stamped right in the injector of a POD injector? Who gave those injectors the Prince of Darkness nickname? Thanks.



Brenton

Lucas injectors, Joseph Lucas = Prince Of Darkness.

 

[1stgen4evr]

I don't have any connection with the Joseph Lucas/Prince of Darkness but I have been hearing the POD nickname for longer than the Cummins injector application. The English cars have Lucas electrical systems and the folks I know have been referring to them/it as Prince of Darkness for years. I hve had an English car and I have experienced the darkness phase personally. I always thought it was a carry over from that Lucas/Lucifer name.



James

 

[HRDROKN]

Yes, that was also the first time I had heard that phrase... in reference to Lucas Electrical and the Prince of Darkness... :-laf



What a great name for injectors though!!!