POD's history, industrial injectors...

[bgilbert]

Ok I take it the POD's or Lucas injectors are from a marine or industrial VE rotary pumped 5. 9 application. Now I'm sure way back when there was some digging to find this injector. But where there/are there any OTHER industrial injectors of higher HP that came with a VE rotary pumped 5. 9? Besides the 185's, 190's ? Seems besides EDMs or other custom made injector we don't have much choice, just the above. Or another historical question, what was the highest HP rated B-series 5. 9 VE rotary pump engine? I've been looking for a VE pump industrial motor to show up at my favorite junkyard as a core, but only ones I've come across are P-pumped. If I did I would pull an injector and get the numbers off it, plus HP rating off tag... . OR did Cummins feel back then no need to produce a huge injector for the VE motors cause they weren't capable of 600hp? Felt maybe if more power was needed they'd equip the customer with a p-pumped engine... ?? BTW posted this on the other site as well. .

 

[Ncostello]

Are you looking up there at 13th and Ft. Harrison at ICE. They advertise industrial motors for sale on occasion.



From what I've dealt with on ordering Cummins engines... they just bump you up a couple liters on size if your going beyond a certain HP level or torque level... probably for longevity. Thats irregardless of if the engine is capable or not. On ISC 8. 3's... they would only go to 330 HP in a fire truck application then move you up to an ISM or whatever. Nothing came close in ISB's.

 

[dpuckett]

I read in a 1990 Cummins manual that they used the VEs on all 4 cyl and 6cyl applications up to about 240hp. Beyond that, they went to an inline CAV pump. My suggestion would be to get a Bosch book with injector tip specs, and do a little math to fint the highest flowing injector. I think PODs are pretty high flowing, esp coupled to a Greenleaf pump. Heck, my stock flow EDMs are pushing the clutch to its limits at 125mm/stroke.



Daniel

 

[swankmetal]

i was at a pump shop last week getting my injectors checked. pretty neat place. a one man show, an older gent who seemed to know nuthin' but diesel. first time i saw his eyes light up was when i showed him that new plunger/head combo. second time was when i handed him my pod's. he was quite familiar with them, but only in industrial app's. next time i go, i'm going to be asking a lot of q's about this subject. if i find anything out, i'll will most definitely report.

 

[BushWakr - RIP]

Ok, here is some info directly from the Bosch diesel distributor injection pumps manual... .



Axial-piston distributor injection pumps/specs...



This is the largest "rating" for the VE pump in terms of it's application and it's power generation rating.



>Injected fuel quantity by stroke: 120mm(3)

>Max nozzle pressure (bar) 1200/350 (?)

>Mechanical style pump

>Direct injection application

>No. of cylinders: 4... 6

>Max speed min(-1): 4500

>kW max power per cylinder: 25 kW



The text does not show the applicable nozzle sizes or numbers/makers.

The above specs are for the highest of the 3 listed VE pumps in the Bosch spec sheet.

The only one that has a higher value in one column is:

VE... MV has only one value higher than the one shown above and that value is the max bar rating, it is shown as 1400/350.

Other than that there is no other info on the pump/injector combo in the Bosch manual I'm referring to.



pb... .

 

[swankmetal]

so what 'er ya sayin', pb, we should all go back to stock or something? :-laf

 

[bgilbert]

i was at a pump shop last week getting my injectors checked. pretty neat place. a one man show, an older gent who seemed to know nuthin' but diesel. first time i saw his eyes light up was when i showed him that new plunger/head combo. second time was when i handed him my pod's. he was quite familiar with them, but only in industrial app's. next time i go, i'm going to be asking a lot of q's about this subject. if i find anything out, i'll will most definitely report.

Yes report back, would love some more info.



Thanks Bob for the input.

>Injected fuel quantity by stroke: 120mm(3)

>Max nozzle pressure (bar) 1200/350 (?)

>Mechanical style pump

>Direct injection application

>No. of cylinders: 4... 6

>Max speed min(-1): 4500

>kW max power per cylinder: 25 kW

This is much higher than our Dodge app's yes? In stock form that is.

 

[JLEONARD]

There were some marine applications in the early 90s that were rated at 250 hp at 2600 rpm. They used Nippon-Denso pumps I believe.

Jay

 

[NIsaacs]

When I bought my Cummins for my Ford in 1990, the largest offered was the CPL 856, it was 180 hp/457 tq, w/ve pump. I think in "91" the P-pump came out and higher hp was the result. I am not sure if it is injectors or the pump or both, but small pump adjustments make a big difference.





"NICK"