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Do you leave your PC on or turn it off when not in use?

I leave mine on, but last week it was shut down due to an impending lightning storm. After the storm had passed, when I went to re-boot one of the memory cards (DIMM stick) went bad. Local PC guru says the Dimm stick likley failed due to cooling off (internal micro fracture). Is this true? Your opinions?
 
If you leave your PC on, it will last longer. What most people forget about is the phone line. You are more likely to burn up a PC in an electrical storm from the phone cord than from the electrical cord. Turning the PC off will not protect your computer if you still have the phone cord plugged into the modem when you take a lightning strike. Get a UPS with both surge protection, and phone line protection, and you should be fine.

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We usually have two computers on all the time at home, but now that the daughter is home from school for the summer, we have three of them. I'm on DSL, so it's very convient to leave the PCs on all the time to check e-mail and read the latest forum messages.

I also manage our computer system at work (about 60 PCs). About half our our users turn them off every night and the others don't. After 10 years, I have found no coorlation between turning the PCs on and off and failures. I can think of two reasons to turn the PC off ... security (if it's turned off, no one can access it), and energy savings (for those of you in CA).

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On at home and at work 24x7.

We unplug phone line during storms. We shutdown and turn off when on vacation or out of town.

Have about 7,000 at work that mostly stay on all the time.
 
rich, found that after I pumped the CPU fill of the Bullet Proof Tire Seal to keep it from crashing too hard that I needed to leave it in standby to keep from gooing up.
 
Some times shutting down allows Windows 95/98 to reset from any errors created which helps things run bettor. How about any computer gurus out there backing this up if its true, I was told this by someone who knows way more than I do about this and it seems to work.
 
Well, I ran my win2k computer for 82 days and 2. 5 hours w/o restarting it. #ad
And microsoft tricked me into restarting because I clicked on a window that said I will need to reboot, and wasnt like the normal reboot prompts, so I hit enter, and rebooted. My computer never suffered any problems.

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What about all the dust the fan pulls in while running all the time, serious question.
Is dust in a computer sort of like sand in your cummins?
Mine stays off when not in use.
 
If its not in sleep mode its left on. Now if I could just get better ISP service,telephone
service. Sure get tired of getting disconnected.

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I actually turn mine off. Couple of reasons why. First of all it saves on the electric bill. . and I work so much that it feels like the only time I see home is when its bedtime.

The other reason is that after a long period of leaving the computers on (6 months or so)... I have found that when you finally turn the pc off that it don't want to turn back on. Mainly because the platters in the hard drive have expanded from the heat just enough that they get stuck. I have seen this with many servers. So I feel that it is better to be safe then sorry.

Kev
 
K Arts. I have never heard of hard drives siezing after long periods of run time. I have 4 years on some drives, and they are still fine. Their are around 200+ hard drives in the 65+ servers that I work around, and I have never had this happen. If your drives get too hot and sieze, that is due to lack of cooling, and not due to the length of time the drives were powered on.


As far as the electric bill, the monitor is the biggest user of electricity, and as long as it goes into sleep mode, turning it off will not save you enough to justify powering it off.
 
Actually I keep our 100 + App servers and 50 + Web Servers in an Air Conditioned room with raised floors. Trust me it is not even close to being hot in their. My data center is usually set at about 55*. Though when you turn on a drive, it generates heat inside making the platter expand. As the platter heats up it contracts over time. But after being on for months at a time. . the drive is very prone to failure once it is turned off and back on. Talk to any of the major drive manufactures and they will tell you the same. We mainly deal with Compaq Proliant servers, and we got all kinds of warnings about this from Compaq also... of course this was after we started having drive failures.

So standard procedure for us is to cycle the drives once every 2 months for safety reasons. Thank god for RIB boards in our Compaq servers.

Kev
 
I am a computer systems and software engineer and left the corporate world in '79. I started a business in '86 shortly after PC's came out. I develop PC based cash register (POS) systems for fast food restaurants and College and University student dining. I have installed many networked systems around the U. S. since then. All of the restaurant systems run 24 hours a day and don't get turned off unless there is a lightning storm close to the store. I believe I can answer the questions asked above.

1. Yes, a hard drive can stick after shutting down, but I have only seen it happen on defective drives. One manufacture put out tens of thousands of drives around '89 through '91 that had this problem in every drive we purchased. We had to eat around 50 drives, which at that time were expensive because every time the computer was turned off, the disk would not start up. If I thumped it, or banged the PC on the desk, usually it would start up, but permanantly fail within 6 months. The manu. got written up in national publications but they still would not recall them or extend the warranty beyond 1 year. Needless to say, we never bought that brand again.

2. When there is a lightning storm I recommend the equipment and UPS be turned off and the power strip unplugged from the wall. Unfortunately, the customers can't unhook all of the network, printer, and monitor cables. In 15 years, I have gone out on emergency runs to get stores and colleges operational many times after lightning storms and tornadoes.

3. Lightning creates a strong electronic field when it hits. I have had computers demolished and determined that network cables and printer cables (25 to 50 foot runs) are the most common antenna that brings the surge to the computers. Many times I have had to replace only the printer port and sometimes the printer because the voltage came in that way, but was not strong enough to wipe out the computer.

4. After a major lightning strike, I have learned that the computers and equipment that remain running have about a 50% chance of failure within the next 90 days due to marginal damage. Because of numerous follow up trips to replace additional computers, I now recommed that the customer replace all computers if more that 1 was seriously damaged and turn the claim into their insurance carrier.

5. In one case only, at Embry Riddle University in Prescott Az. , lightning hit the flagpole in the center of campus. It took out every one of the computers in the cafeterias, and knocked down the most of the campus systems used in class rooms and research labs. I don't know how many they ended up having to replace, but it took a while for the campus to be running smooth again.

6. I don't turn off my Windows 98 system except during storms, or unless Windows crashes. However, my Window 98 won't come up correctly until the computer has warmed up. Sometimes I have to do a cold restart (power off restart) 3 times for it to load all the drivers correctly after it has been off a few hours.

7. Since Windows has bugs which may cause problems that are not readily noticable, it is true that you could possibly gain from a power-off restart once in a while. It really depends on whether you run any software that the bugs might affect.

8. I turn off my DOS machines every night (yes, we still do 100% of our development in DOS, as do many POS developers) to reduce the amount of heat in my house (we office in my house). Several computers quickly build up heat which means running more A/C. Other than rare disk drive failures (these days) and even rarer memory failure, I have had no problem doing so. It is true that if you have a flaky memory chip, you might have trouble getting it going.


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Conleyjo,

One other item. You mentioned over heating which I missed. We struggled with overheating for several years in restaurants until 386's and lower wattage drives. I don't remember seeing a drive freeze up and quit spinning from overheating (although an occasional drive head crash and failure to spin was probably due to heat), but I re-formatted many a drive after overheating caused something to scramble the directory. Usually, though, when a computer starts overheating, the program will start doing strange things, or strange symbols will show up on the screen. If it isn't shut down, DOS crashes, most likely because the mother board or memory is affected. I have had to swap out several mother boards after an overheat, but if I put the drive in the freezer or refrigerator, it would usually come back to life quickly.

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I am changing from Cottage commuter (webmaster long distance) to a small ISP's Network administrator.

In my home office I have 3 to 5 servers running 24/7. Those that play honest to goodness server do not have a monitor on except when needed. The others have monitors that will go to sleep and thus decrease the heat output.

My old farmhouse leaks like crazy, so I don't mind the extra heat in my office from all these beasts chugging away. (the only thing I hate is the sum total of the fan noise)

I rigged up a contactor when living in Arizona that would stay latched on. If we had a short power drop the contactor would open and remain open until I reset it. I did this, as the frequent up/down of a power outage can harm a computer.

These days many computers can be configured to stay off if they loose power.

We make it a point to unplug everything when we have lightning storms. Sure you can get surge units with great insurance claims, but who wants to bother with the delay of repairing from such a strike.

Just my . 02
 
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