pure power oil filters... anyone using them ?? ....

[Triton]

I order one the other day. Not very cheap but, I think in the long run it will be.

Apparently they were very popular at SEMA this year.



It's a completely stainless steel filter which is cleanable and reusable. The body it mounts into is T-6061 billet casing and is a direct filter replacement.



It claims to filter anything 10 microns and below. I was thinking about installing a second remote filter but, I don't think it gonna be necessary with this filter.



Anyone have one installed yet ?? It also doesn't void your warranty according to their web site.

Pure Power Filters​

 

[Arkapigdiesel]

I order one the other day. Not very cheap but, I think in the long run it will be.

Apparently they were very popular at SEMA this year.



It's a completely stainless steel filter which is cleanable and reusable. The body it mounts into is T-6061 billet casing and is a direct filter replacement.



It claims to filter anything 10 microns and below. I was thinking about installing a second remote filter but, I don't think it gonna be necessary with this filter.



Anyone have one installed yet ?? It also doesn't void your warranty according to their web site.

Pure Power Filters​

It all depends in what you're looking for. If you are looking for fine filtration then I'd suggest running a Fleetguard Stratapore spin on and running a 'true' bypass filter. It's easy as pie to hook up a bypass filter on the CTD.



If you are looking at it strictly from a long term cost savings then I'm not sure if it's really all that. On top of that, you have the mess and hassle of having to clean the thing up.



If you just want something shiny and new, then go for it :-laf

 

[MMeier]

$200 for a oil filter !!!! :--)

 

[Triton]

I think there's a little more to this filter than you may think. I'm surely not sold on Amsoil anything. This filter claims fine filtration down to 5 microns and yet is still free flowing.



Who's to say the paper element fleetguard is all that ? Sure, it's a recommended filter but, we're talking beyond your average auto parts filter here. Manufacturers will never recommend and aftermarket part for what they've made... . they want to sell it to you.



I've used SS filters on my KTM for several years. In my opinion, I wouldn't use anything else in it. If you know anything about KTM's, it's a fine tuned racing machine and having clean oil is critical... . just like with our trucks.



Because of how well they've worked in my bike, I figured I'll give it a go in my truck. I was hoping to here from someone that's tried it before. I posted this same question on another forum and people are very ( in fact to ) skeptical.



The person who help develop the filter and does the R&D has some very impressive credentials. I'm sure it's not just another shiny part.

 

[RDyson]

So is it 10 microns or 5 microns?



Randy

 

[Bob4x4]

I think there's a little more to this filter than you may think. I'm surely not sold on Amsoil anything. This filter claims fine filtration down to 5 microns and yet is still free flowing.



Who's to say the paper element fleetguard is all that ? Sure, it's a recommended filter but, we're talking beyond your average auto parts filter here. Manufacturers will never recommend and aftermarket part for what they've made... . they want to sell it to you.



I've used SS filters on my KTM for several years. In my opinion, I wouldn't use anything else in it. If you know anything about KTM's, it's a fine tuned racing machine and having clean oil is critical... . just like with our trucks.



Because of how well they've worked in my bike, I figured I'll give it a go in my truck. I was hoping to here from someone that's tried it before. I posted this same question on another forum and people are very ( in fact to ) skeptical.



The person who help develop the filter and does the R&D has some very impressive credentials. I'm sure it's not just another shiny part.

The engineer that developed that filter came to one of our local GTG's and gave a demo speech. Everthing was going good till he said that engine oil will not flow through the factory filter it will bypass even when new :--)



Bob

 

[Triton]

engine oil will not flow through the factory filter it will bypass even when new :--)



Bob

Can you share any other info from that meet about it ??



That is quite the claim. I haven't tried it myself but, in the products video the guy tore apart a paper filter and tried to blow through it. He about turned red trying. Then he blew through the SS filter and it was free flowing. I don't know about the Fleetguard, it's not what he used. It was your typical filter.



I'm not at all saying this filter is all that... just trying to get feedback. It seems people are very leary of new products. No one seems to have tried it so, I don't see how it can be so critiqued.



The manufacturers don't recommend using a lot of things we use on our trucks but, we still use them. Their site even claims in bold... it will not void your warranty.

 

[Triton]

So is it 10 microns or 5 microns?



Randy

actually that was my bad... it's 25 microns down to 5

 

[Bob4x4]

Can you share any other info from that meet about it ??



That is quite the claim. I haven't tried it myself but, in the products video the guy tore apart a paper filter and tried to blow through it. He about turned red trying. Then he blew through the SS filter and it was free flowing. I don't know about the Fleetguard, it's not what he used. It was your typical filter.



I'm not at all saying this filter is all that... just trying to get feedback. It seems people are very leary of new products. No one seems to have tried it so, I don't see how it can be so critiqued.



The manufacturers don't recommend using a lot of things we use on our trucks but, we still use them. Their site even claims in bold... it will not void your warranty.

I don't think his blow through test is valid... ... ... if it were we would not be travelling the miles we do. I went back to the shop and ran my parts washer through the filter media... ... ... ... case closed for me. Another engineer who wants to retire off the tdr members desire to spend money where it is not needed.

No outside company can tell you what will and will not affect your warranty. When that company post a bond to fight for you and your warranty then maybe take him as credible.



Bob

 

[Arkapigdiesel]

Go ahead and buy one, install it on your truck, then get a UOA done on your oil with particle count.



The UOA would show your wear metal readings along with insoluble filtration, and the particle count would show how well it filters.



By the way, 25 micron filtration ain't that good. You can get the same from other top notch filters out there. What is the flow rate of the filter? The CTD flows A LOT of oil..... how restrictive is the filter?



I know a tad bit about oil and filtration.



I'll say this once again... . if you are looking for fine filtration get a bypass filter and use a high quality full flow filter (Fleetguard Stratapore, Wix, etc... ) in conjunction with the bypass filter of your choice. I don't care if you get an Amsoil, Motor Guard, Frantz, FS-2500, Oil Guard, Puradyn, Spinner bypass filter, etc.....



If you want my honest opinion on the filter I'll say that $200 is ridiculous for what you're getting.

 

[Triton]

Go ahead and buy one, install it on your truck, then get a UOA done on your oil with particle count.



The UOA would show your wear metal readings along with insoluble filtration, and the particle count would show how well it filters.



By the way, 25 micron filtration ain't that good. You can get the same from other top notch filters out there. What is the flow rate of the filter? The CTD flows A LOT of oil..... how restrictive is the filter?



I know a tad bit about oil and filtration.



I'll say this once again... . if you are looking for fine filtration get a bypass filter and use a high quality full flow filter (Fleetguard Stratapore, Wix, etc... ) in conjunction with the bypass filter of your choice. I don't care if you get an Amsoil, Motor Guard, Frantz, FS-2500, Oil Guard, Puradyn, Spinner bypass filter, etc.....



If you want my honest opinion on the filter I'll say that $200 is ridiculous for what you're getting.

If you only have to pay $200 to never have to buy a filter again for one... . help save the environment ( which could use some help ) and have perfectly clean oil... . I'd say it's well worth it.



It may not be the case here but, I'm a firm believer in " you get what you pay for "



this is an unofficial test but, this guy took some time to figure out what was really going on with filter. This section is about Mopar filter which ! is what the dealer would recommend to use... .



http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy-mopar.html



makes you wonder about any filter sold !





it seems to me anything much less than 10 microns would cause loss of oil pressure. A human hair is 67 microns. With you using a by-pass and a paper media filter, it has to be affecting the flow and pressure.



It would be nice to be able to filter out down to sub microns but, the more filtration you get, the more loss of flow and pressure you have.

 

[RustyJC]

it seems to me anything much less than 10 microns would cause loss of oil pressure. A human hair is 67 microns. With you using a by-pass and a paper media filter, it has to be affecting the flow and pressure.



It would be nice to be able to filter out down to sub microns but, the more filtration you get, the more loss of flow and pressure you have.

Pressure drop across the filter media also depends on total surface area of the filter. Finer filtration won't cause any more pressure drop if the surface area of the filter is increased proportionately.



Rusty

 

[Triton]

Pressure drop across the filter media also depends on total surface area of the filter. Finer filtration won't cause any more pressure drop if the surface area of the filter is increased proportionately.



Rusty

probably the case but, to get the flow Arkapigdiesel stated a CTD needs, that filter would have to be pretty darn large to have the flow and fine filtration.



So, are you saying a Fleetguard or any recommended filter for our CTD has all the flow it can give plus the fine filtration ? I'm confident they have the filtration but, not to sure about the flow.

 

[Arkapigdiesel]

If you only have to pay $200 to never have to buy a filter again for one... . help save the environment ( which could use some help ) and have perfectly clean oil... . I'd say it's well worth it.



It may not be the case here but, I'm a firm believer in " you get what you pay for "



this is an unofficial test but, this guy took some time to figure out what was really going on with filter. This section is about Mopar filter which ! is what the dealer would recommend to use... .



http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy-mopar.html



makes you wonder about any filter sold !





it seems to me anything much less than 10 microns would cause loss of oil pressure. A human hair is 67 microns. With you using a by-pass and a paper media filter, it has to be affecting the flow and pressure.



It would be nice to be able to filter out down to sub microns but, the more filtration you get, the more loss of flow and pressure you have.

Do you know that oil flows through a 1/16" of an inch restrictor orifice when going through a bypass filter? Did you know that Cummins Inc. did a test and recommended bypass filtration in order to slow down engine wear? Talk with anyone that has an oil pressure gauge installed and they will tell that a bypass filter DOES NOT effect your oil pressure, period.



I'm an administrator of a motor oil website with 16K+ members so I try and go above and beyond in my knowledge of oils, and filtration systems.



I'm not saying that the $200 filter is junk, but it doesn't filter down low enough in microns to say that the oil is always clean like you state above. IT IS NOT A BYPASS FILTER. If you really don't want to change your oil as often, and truly keep the oil clean a bypass filter is the only thing that will do that. A bypass filter WILL keep the oil analytically clean, which in turn means extended OCI's and keeps the environment cleaner.



I had an oil analysis done on one of my older trucks and at 7K miles on the sample under a 100x microscope (Butler Cat Labs) my oil was said to "look as clean or cleaner than new oil out of the bottle". That is what bypass filtration does..... it keeps the oil clean, therefore keeping the oil from exhausting its' add pack and keeping the TBN high, which extends your OCI's.



My advice would be to look at the cold hard facts and study up on oil, oil filters, and bypass filters in general. Go to Bob is the Oil Guy and read through the forums.



If the only thing you're concerned with is buying a filter and not having to worry about buying another one again, then by all means jump on it. A well constructed oil filter can't be beat, period.



The Fleetguard Stratapore uses synthetic media, flows and filters great (for a full flow filter) and costs around $10. 50 per filter. Put a bypass filter downline from it, and you have a bullet proof system. The Amsoil bypass element can go up to 60K miles before replacing the element, and the Fleetguard should be able to go AT LEAST 10K miles before changing it is necessary.



With your standard full flow filter AND a bypass filter you get the best of both worlds... ... . good flow (full flow filter), and super fine filtration (bypass filter). Best of luck... .

 

[RustyJC]

Fleetguard is a product brand within the Cummins Filtration division of Cummins. Therefore, I would expect them to design the filter around the engine's flow requirements. In fact, when the 24 valve Cummins B-series was introduced, Fleetguard introduced new filters for the 24 valve with thicker shells to handle the higher oil pressures on cold startup. For general information on the Stratapore synthetic media, see HERE.



Rusty

 

[Triton]

Do you know that oil flows through a 1/16" of an inch restrictor orifice when going through a bypass filter? Did you know that Cummins Inc. did a test and recommended bypass filtration in order to slow down engine wear? Talk with anyone that has an oil pressure gauge installed and they will tell that a bypass filter DOES NOT effect your oil pressure, period.



I'm an administrator of a motor oil website with 16K+ members so I try and go above and beyond in my knowledge of oils, and filtration systems.



I'm not saying that the $200 filter is junk, but it doesn't filter down low enough in microns to say that the oil is always clean like you state above. IT IS NOT A BYPASS FILTER. If you really don't want to change your oil as often, and truly keep the oil clean a bypass filter is the only thing that will do that. A bypass filter WILL keep the oil analytically clean, which in turn means extended OCI's and keeps the environment cleaner.



I had an oil analysis done on one of my older trucks and at 7K miles on the sample under a 100x microscope (Butler Cat Labs) my oil was said to "look as clean or cleaner than new oil out of the bottle". That is what bypass filtration does..... it keeps the oil clean, therefore keeping the oil from exhausting its' add pack and keeping the TBN high, which extends your OCI's.



My advice would be to look at the cold hard facts and study up on oil, oil filters, and bypass filters in general. Go to Bob is the Oil Guy and read through the forums.



If the only thing you're concerned with is buying a filter and not having to worry about buying another one again, then by all means jump on it. A well constructed oil filter can't be beat, period.



The Fleetguard Stratapore uses synthetic media, flows and filters great (for a full flow filter) and costs around $10. 50 per filter. Put a bypass filter downline from it, and you have a bullet proof system. The Amsoil bypass element can go up to 60K miles before replacing the element, and the Fleetguard should be able to go AT LEAST 10K miles before changing it is necessary.



With your standard full flow filter AND a bypass filter you get the best of both worlds... ... . good flow (full flow filter), and super fine filtration (bypass filter). Best of luck... .

Well, thanks for your information. I may have sounded like I was an advocate for the filter but, that's not the case at all. I know on any forum bringing this subject up can cause very mixed feelings. I'm just trying to find info.



No one has stepped in to say they've used it and because of that, I really don't see how it should get such negative feedback.





I know this isn't a by-pass filter and never meant for it to sound that way. I think though that other manufacturers ARE capable of producing a quality product to achieve the same results as a OEM company. Not saying it's this one but, it could be. The manufacturer recommend a certain brand oil too but, not everyone uses it.



The folks at these forums make up a very small percentage of the vehicle buyers out there. Many people would never even think to use a by-pass filters, fuel filters, upgraded lift pumps... etc. many buy the DIY setup at the local auto store and many just go to Jiffy lube.



They go through their vehicles life without a problem never using recommended by OEM products. Sure, things maybe could have helped a situation or 2 but, in general... ... .



When someone goes to buy a used CTD or any diesel... . I really don't think they ask if the truck has a by-pass to reassure that the oil has been kept clean.



For all we know... . all filters are made by one or 2 companies and everyone puts their own name on it.





Anyway... . thanks for yours and everyone else's time on this post. Without you posting we wouldn't be learning.

 

[dsherman]

SS oil filter

I have one pure power SS filter and a ultra SS oil filter also have a spinner II, 25

And a spinner II, 16 with a grid switch. Am going to try to run some test on them soon.

I would go with a pure power SS filter and a good bypass filter, A bypass will drop your oil psi down 1 or 2 PSI I know this I run a bypass filter

You can not blow or pass water or oil or WD40 spray through an OEM filter I been their done that. Bob made a comment that he tried a solvent tank parts cleaner, He really had no comment did it flow or did it not flow

My bet it did not flow.

I am going to do this test my self My bet it will not flow

I ran and run SS oil filters on my race cars when I had them and on all my street bikes, dirt bikes, race bikes, The SS oil filters are awsome and had no problem with any of them.

Most all OEM filters end up bypassing the filter anyway and always on start up :--)

David

Well, thanks for your information. I may have sounded like I was an advocate for the filter but, that's not the case at all. I know on any forum bringing this subject up can cause very mixed feelings. I'm just trying to find info.



No one has stepped in to say they've used it and because of that, I really don't see how it should get such negative feedback.





I know this isn't a by-pass filter and never meant for it to sound that way. I think though that other manufacturers ARE capable of producing a quality product to achieve the same results as a OEM company. Not saying it's this one but, it could be. The manufacturer recommend a certain brand oil too but, not everyone uses it.



The folks at these forums make up a very small percentage of the vehicle buyers out there. Many people would never even think to use a by-pass filters, fuel filters, upgraded lift pumps... etc. many buy the DIY setup at the local auto store and many just go to Jiffy lube.



They go through their vehicles life without a problem never using recommended by OEM products. Sure, things maybe could have helped a situation or 2 but, in general... ... .



When someone goes to buy a used CTD or any diesel... . I really don't think they ask if the truck has a by-pass to reassure that the oil has been kept clean.



For all we know... . all filters are made by one or 2 companies and everyone puts their own name on it.





Anyway... . thanks for yours and everyone else's time on this post. Without you posting we wouldn't be learning.

 

[Triton]

I have one pure power SS filter and a ultra SS oil filter also have a spinner II, 25
And a spinner II, 16 with a grid switch. Am going to try to run some test on them soon.
I would go with a pure power SS filter and a good bypass filter, A bypass will drop your oil psi down 1 or 2 PSI I know this I run a bypass filter
You can not blow or pass water or oil or WD40 spray through an OEM filter I been their done that. Bob made a comment that he tried a solvent tank parts cleaner, He really had no comment did it flow or did it not flow
My bet it did not flow.
I am going to do this test my self My bet it will not flow
I ran and run SS oil filters on my race cars when I had them and on all my street bikes, dirt bikes, race bikes, The SS oil filters are awsome and had no problem with any of them.
Most all OEM filters end up bypassing the filter anyway and always on start up :--)
David

Wow ! a SS filter user. thanks very much for the response. I was beginning to think I was crazy for even thinking of using one. Between this post and a couple others I made about it, I got nothing but negitive responses. People are dead set on doing what everyone else does and shun anything new.

I ended up using a FS2500 by-pass and even got negitive responses about it. I'll do a oil analysis when I change my oil and determine myself how well it works.

Now that you've backed up my feelings about the SS filters, I will definitely be giving a pure power a try. I wouldn't run anything else in my bike.

Thanks.

 

[Bob4x4]

Dave is not a user :-laf :-laf Seriously Dave,tell everybody how many miles you have on your truck. It already has a new cylinder head on it.



Bob

 

[steved]

My only comments, from my motorcycle days, is that SS mesh will eventually plug off and need changed just like any other filter... particles get wedged into the screen that cannot be flushed out.



I can see where a SS screen would be more free flowing, but I do not see where it could catch the same size particles without becoming restrictive.



And as far as blowing through a new filter... I have blown through my new Fleetguards before without any issue... the fact is in a used filter, there is surface tension of the oil within the filter media... I could see the mesh not absorbing oil and therefore it would not have "a restriction", but air is one thing and fluid is another. How many of you can actually blow 5psi?? I doubt a single person... and we run a lot more than 5 psi. And I get over 20psi at idle downstream of the filter.



steved