Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Question on injectors

[Txredneck]

I was told that if i wanted more power to go with the dd's and smoke but got gauge's installed yesterday and guy there said that he installs quadzilla injectors and that is the best around? Haven't heard much on quadzilla who makes them and are the worth buying?

 

[andrewkoperdak]

I think quadzilla are simply stage iV injectors. I think you can find them on Bully Dog Technologies webpage. bully dog They are also listed under the links for vendors. I think they are the same as step 4 injectors rated at 120 HP







I have stage 3 injectors rated @ 100 HP. This is enough for me as it keeps my EGTs and HP in a range that my stock parts can still deal with.

R,

Andy

 

[Bob Wagner]

Quad Site

 

[andrewkoperdak]

Bob,

Thanks for the link and the education on the Quad.

R,

Andy

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

If he said quads are the best I must reply. DDs are the best. Now whatcha gonna do.

If you look at what the majority of people run its DDs. They are a proven injector with great results. And a great company to stand behind em. Research it and do what you feel. But to claim one is better than the other is probably untrue. Alot of injectors are copies of the originals that went through R&D. For the power the DDs dont smoke as bad as some other vendors. I have super mentals and have little difficulty driving without smoke.

 

[andrewkoperdak]

I agree, to say one is better is like starting that "which oil is best" thread all over again. If you buy what you want and it does what you want then you have "your" best product. I personally think that my BD stage 3s are the best without any other modification. But... they do what I want for me. I don't hall a 60,000 pound trailer up Pikes Peek in second gear either like I am sure some CTD owners would like to do.

R,

Andy

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

I can say without a doubt that the Quadzilla injectors are better than the DDs.



DD makes a lot of injectors, not neccessarily the best.



I sold a set of 180s to a fella in NC who knocked . 4 sec off his ET over SuperMentals and put him into the 12s Then there was a set of 80s and a clutch to a very happy fella in the midwest.



I took . 4sec off my 60' over Mitchell injectors



Quad sells a lot of injectors. from 40 to 200+hp. If you really want to know call him at 817 306 2444,



I deal with him on a daily basis. The mainstays of his business is wholesale to other dealers, the rest are rodeo, ranchers, and hot shotters wanting a little kick like most of the guys here. There are a few less stable individuals like myself that run the 200hp injectors, big boxes, 5" exhaust, propane, dual stage nitrous, and Twins... we make regular pilgrimages for go fast goodies



Later,

Mark

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

geez mark that wasn't nice.



lets see what did you dyno last time with those huge quad injectors? wasn't it around 540rwhp with everything? if so i guess you and quad have a long way to go before you get to what dd and edge are able to give me, and that's just on diesel. this and et is what most people buy injectors are looking for. i'm sure guys dropped there et's when changing out sm's. eck those are a everyday driving injector. trust me dd makes bigger than sm for the public, and they will make a lot of power(626rwhp on #2)



don't get me wrong i wish everyone luck, but for you to bad mouth dd and edge, and for you to be so far behind the hp wars seems odd to me. but sense you have burned those bridges i guess you will have to stay where you are at. (way back in the pack). maybe you will learn that you don't have to burn bridges to be competitive in this sport.



jim

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Well...



Jim uses Edge and DD so DD and EDGE MUST be the ONLY way to make HP. Please spare me





BTW, my injectors aren't the biggest Quad can make either. Go ahead think that 527 is all I make... I like it that way



My 200s ARE everyday drivers. why aren't yours?



I don't bad mouth the edge boxes. I like them fine. They just seem to have reliability issues lately. lots of OBFs for some reason. Nobody really wants to talk about that though.



An edge comp is a great box. I think the FMS is better. . More adjustable.



There are some new EDM'd injectors out that may be better than Quads, but I haven't tried them yet so I can't say.

 

[TxDieselKid]

Does quad make the injectors, or does he buy them?





Andrew

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

He has a fella that makes them for him. His injectors get a lot of TLC to get the performance to be consistent.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

Well...



Jim uses Edge and DD so DD and EDGE MUST be the ONLY way to make HP. Please spare me





BTW, my injectors aren't the biggest Quad can make either. Go ahead think that 527 is all I make... I like it that way



My 200s ARE everyday drivers. why aren't yours?

mark



i'm not saying my way is the only way it just seems a better way than you are using.



you call them 200hp injectors yet you haven't made 200rwhp with them have you? sense you have a six speed yhe dyno is really the only tool that you have to monitor your progress. sorry is 527 not the right #? how many people watched you make that on the dyno? were you holding back?

a stock eth makes 220rwhp s with your fms box you should be at 350rwhp add your injectors and your at 550rwhp add nos and your at at least 650rwhp plus lpg should be good for 60rwhp, yet for some reason you only made 5xx. i know blame it on those dang rollers they were made at you right? sense your selling these things i'm sure people would like to know what they can expect for the products you are selling.



for some reason your combo is not working well, and for you to talk bad about another vendor's products that do what they say is not right. i'm sure you will get if figured out, but others already have.



in the summer i drive around in the 600rwhp mode, that's just on #2. sense we got snow i tune it down to 490rwhp and put on my studded tires. geez i'm only around 40rwhp under you with a full load of drugs in my winter mode



jim

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

I made 430 on injectors and a timing box. I make a lot more than 60 hp on lpg.



I don't live on a dyno and I could care less about what power you think I make.



I'll planning on making May Madness though. See ya at the track

 

[Barry]

Can we go to the other end of the spectrum for a moment. I THINK I want a set of DD1s or 2s. My cost on a set of 1s is $425 plus my cores. I have a set of new Bosch 275s in my closet that only cost me $239. Is it really worth me spending another $200 and sacrificing my cores for a set of DD1s????? I am in the RV biz and the only racing I do is with a trailer behind me on the Interstate... ... ... ... .....

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

I would say that 80hp (stage 2s) would be worth the money only if you were towing near GCVW.



Anything above a 2 and heat becomes an issue with a near stock truck. Above the 275s and you will need to watch your gauges when towing heavy.



This is all assuming a timing box(60-70hp).



Long sustained grades at high GCW makes for difficult HP gains. Keeping EGTs in check becomes difficult w/o swapping turbos and or exhaust when you get over 300rwhp.



FWIW,

Mark

 

[MCummings]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

My 200s ARE everyday drivers. why aren't yours?



An edge comp is a great box. I think the FMS is better. . More adjustable.

Just to add a few things for the newer BOMBers...



I know you drive your 200's everyday,, I drive my Drug Pushers everyday. Huge injectors wear out, they produce more HP when new, and gradually decrease over the life of the injector (however long that may be).

Mark, You also have twins,, which have rather insane spoolup, and produce good PSI, this means smoke is not too much of an issue with you, although your truck does smoke alot, (You said personally that people would call the company you represent and complain about the smoke,, but for every one call of smoke, he got 10 calls to order a box)

If a person, Like me, put these injectors in a truck with a Single turbo, like a HX-40 these injectors will almost always haze, and smoke Heavy at WOT. Even at Full boost these injectors will not "clear up" and EGT's can get wild. (1500* easy here)

Would I trade these injectors? Personally no, not even for bigger ones unless I went to twins. I like the way these smoke, they can black out intersections, but are controllable when just cruising.



About the FMS box, yes it has more adjustability, I would say almost Too much. How often do you adjust your fueling rate in 1% incremements? You'll have to pull over to the side of the road to really adjust the FMS box.

The FMS box does not have advanced timing built in, this requires the purchase of another box exclusivly for timing.

The COMP has timing and a fueling box. 5 different HP levels, with 5 individual SUB levels to control when the extra fuel is added.

Level 1x1 is actually DE-Fueling the truck, this is helpfull when running big injectors on the street. I am not sure if the FMS has this feature or not. Please correct me.

Example of levels could run like this, 1x1, 2x3, 3x3, 4x1, 5x5.



About bad COMP boxes, getting them fixed is as easy as a phone call away. Edge is a great company. Even though I have not had any problems with mine (besides an LED going out, doesn't hurt how it functions) I have heard that they have a no hassle type box exchange policy.



I have heard DD guarantees their injectors for 200K miles, Correct me of I'm wrong, but I believe that policy stands for all injectors except for the Biggest ones they make (race injectors, etc. )



Just my $. 02



Merrick Cummings Jr

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

I made 430 on injectors and a timing box. I make a lot more than 60 hp on lpg.



I don't live on a dyno and I could care less about what power you think I make.



I'll planning on making May Madness though. See ya at the track

mark 1st off it's not the power i think you make it's the power that you have made.



i'm confused: if you made 430 on injectors with a timing box then i would say those a ways from 200rwhp. as i have said a stock eth makes around 220rwhp add 35peak hp for the timing box your injrctors are closer to 175. plus if you take into account your turbo's i would say those 200hp injectors are making 125-150rwhp. maybe that fms isn't doing much? sense you only made mid 5xx with everything i would guess that your truck needs some serious tuning, or maybe some different parts.



i would love to race you at may madness instead of you sitting on the sidelines talking about what you could do. but i can already hear the excuses the track didn't load my truck enough, the transmission isn't working like it should, etc,etc. i love to compete weither it be on the dyno or the sled track or the 1/4 mile i will there.





talk is cheap but backing it up is what most people want to see. from this thread we have already seen that you are lets say optomistic about your injector ratings, and sense you have yet to make the whole package work well maybe you should be doing more r&d instead of trying to sell them to customers hoping they will do the work for you.



jim

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

My 430 was a little better than Kats 42x. I've seen his truck lay a 515.



I could give a s#$% less what that dyno said.



Like I said. I'll see you at the track.



You have no idea what R&d has been done. I have a 12V, a few 24Vs, and an ISBe with twins on right now. what I left on the dyno is my business. and on that dyno I ran no propane.



The ratings are not mine they are Quad's. Dyno proven time and time again.



The only way to really compete on either venue is at the same place and time. I'll see ya in May

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Originally posted by MCummings

... About the FMS box, yes it has more adjustability, I would say almost Too much. How often do you adjust your fueling rate in 1% incremements? You'll have to pull over to the side of the road to really adjust the FMS box.

The 1% fueling rate can make a difference when running drug pushers on the street. there are a couple of fueling settings that have an effect on low boost and throttle dependent operation that are important.

Originally posted by MCummings

About bad COMP boxes, getting them fixed is as easy as a phone call away. Edge is a great company. Even though I have not had any problems with mine (besides an LED going out, doesn't hurt how it functions) I have heard that they have a no hassle type box exchange policy. [/B]

Explain the OBF to a customer sometime.



For injector warranty. Call quad and ask him about it.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

My 430 was a little better than Kats 42x. I've seen his truck lay a 515.



I could give a s#$% less what that dyno said.



Like I said. I'll see you at the track.



You have no idea what R&d has been done. I have a 12V, a few 24Vs, and an ISBe with twins on right now. what I left on the dyno is my business. and on that dyno I ran no propane.



The ratings are not mine they are Quad's. Dyno proven time and time again.



The only way to really compete on either venue is at the same place and time. I'll see ya in May

mark



you beat kat buy less than 10hp? you have twins right? and 200hp injectors vs his sm's? i guess i'm confused again? i know you don't care about the dyno #'s, but it's great tool to see if your going in the right direction.

i'm glad your doing lots of r&d, it just seems that your setup is not working that great together?



sense quad is rating these injector's and you are selling them maybe you should ask him about the rating #'s? i mean if your 10% off that's fine, but that would be 180hp not 135hp.



i too am looking forward to mm, i hope your ready



jim