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I just started transporting RVs and wonder if anyone can tell me how much tax I need to withhold? I know I will have a pile of deductions so I wouldn't think I would have to withhold as much as a normal job that gives a 1099. Anyone?



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Mark
 
First off, go down to an accountant and start your own S Corporation, with an S Corporation you do not have to pay the self employment tax on top of your income tax, your first year you will be ahead of the game and pay for the start up of the corporation through the money you saved in not having to pay the self employment tax.



Second reason to start an S Corporation is if you are involved in an accident it is your corporation that will be sued. Gives you much better protection.



Benefit: You can also get a 300 dollar rebate on your Dodge truck by using their corporation rebate, I have done this twice.



As for your taxes I would figure out how much money you are making then if it is going to be 50 or 60 thousand dollars I would pay quarterly to the tune of about 25%. Pay this on your personal income tax side and not on your S Corp, you get the money from the S Corp so your tax bill just rolls over into your personal account.



If you are only going to make 30 thousand a year I would drop that to 15%.



Now for the best part, with an S Corp you get the protections and benefits of a full Corporation but you get to transfer the money to your own account and you only pay taxes on your personal income, not the S Corp, so this is in effect a win win deal, the Government still gets its tax money, and you don't have to pay them as much in taxes.



The cost of starting up an S Corp is right around 400 to 500 dollars with an accountant in Florida where I live.



Now get to it and join the business world.
 
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If you talk to most drivers and most cpa's that handle owner operators they will tell you they do not have or need an scorp. As far as taxes, the amount you need to save is really hard to estimate. If you have a wife and kids to deduct?, truck to write off (I buy one every year and take a 179 deduction), plus all the costs of operating, and don't forget the $41 a day per diem. My suggestion would be get a tax program, enter what you think you will gross, 60k or whatever. Depending on what rate you are getting paid, figure the fuel cost (we are @1. 00 mile so my fuel is about 27% of my gross) and just play around. With a wife and kids (and a truck to write off)you should be able to gross around 70k and show a break even and pay nothing. I have been at it for 2 years so far and I have done well :D . Just keep every little reciept you get! Karl



Also here is link to info on the S corp. If you make a profit you will pay the tax one way or another. Read it all and I think you will see other than a $300 dodge rebate there are no real advantages.

http://www.bizadvisor.com/scorp.htm
 
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No real advantages to having an S Corp?



Get real, first off, if you don't have an S Corp you will have to pay not only personal income taxes, but also you WILL have to pay your self employment taxes (Social Security) on top of your income taxes. :{



At 60,000 those self employment taxes are going to be a pretty big hit because you are now paying both halves of it unlike when you work for someone else and each of you pay one half of the tax. :{ :{ :{



So if you expect to pay 2000 in for social security then you can double that figure to 4000 when you start working for your self as you will now pick up the half your employer used to pay. :--)



With the S Corp you simply roll the money over to your personal account and you Only pay your personal income tax, no self employment tax. Oo.



An S Corp also help to shield you from law suites as it will be your company that is doing the job, you are just an employee of your S Corp. :-laf



Good god, why would any accountant worth anything say you don't need to form a S Corp, they are cheap to form, cheap to maintain. :eek:



Also you claim that you are breaking even, well you better start making some money because after five years of not showing any profit, the IRS will step in and audit you and shut you down. Does not matter how much profit but you had better be-able to show some. :--)
 
Yes I agree S corps have a benifit, but most of us rv haulers and hot shot operators have big deductions, so the cost and time of a S corp is not a benifit. Here is an exmple... ... . If you do not show a profit there are no advantages would be the reason that it was not recommended to me. I can show a profit up to what the standard deductions and household deductions are and still pay nothing for example married filing joint standard deduction $9700 Family of 4 exemptions ($3100ea)$12400. So lets say after that you still have an income of 12500, you can get the eic credit of 4300 and tax would be 1238. So you would get back money. Based on a family w/ a couple kids. So I am showing a profit and there is no reason for any problems to arrise. In this industry I just can not see how you would end up showing a profit large enough to benifit.



Here is some valuable S corp info.





How to Save Taxes with an S Corporation

S corporations save business owners taxes in roughly three ways:



S Corporation Benefit 1:

As compared to regular C corporations, S corporation owners can use the business’s losses—such as those incurred during the startup phase—on their personal returns as deductions. Note that this “S corporation advantage” is also shared by single member and multiple member limited liability companies (LLCs) electing default treatment.



EXAMPLE: A new business, organized as an S corporation, incurs $20,000 of losses in its first year. If the business is equally owned and operated by two shareholder employees, Able and Baker, Able and Baker each get a $10,000 business deduction on their individual tax returns. This $10,000 deduction might save them each as much as $4,000 in federal and state income taxes.



S Corporation Benefit 2:

As compared to almost every other business form, S corporations can save their owners self-employment or Social Security/Medicare taxes.



EXAMPLE: Able, Baker and Carter independently each own businesses that make $90,000 a year in profits. Each business owner may pay $13,000 in income taxes. But, unfortunately, that’s not the only tax they pay. Each owner also pays self-employment or Social Security/Medicare taxes.



For example, Able operates his business as an LLC and therefore pays 15. 3%, or roughly $13,500, in self-employment taxes on his profits. Baker operates his business as a C corporation which pays all of its profits to him as a salary. Accordingly, Baker (through his corporation) also pays 15. 3%, or roughly $13,500, in Social Security and Medicare taxes.



Carter’s situation is different. Carter operates his business as an S corporation which means that Carter can split his $90,000 of profits into two payment amounts: salary and S corporation distributions. Suppose that Carter says only $30,000 of his profits are salary. In this case, Carter pays the 15. 3% Social Security/Medicare tax only on the $30,000 in salary. Carter therefore pays roughly $4,500 in Social Security/Medicare taxes—and annually saves $9,000 in taxes as compared to Able or Baker.



S Corporation Benefit 3 (which may not be much of a benefit any more…)

A final possible benefit: As compared to regular corporations, S corporations sometimes save owners taxes because S corporations don’t pay corporate income taxes. (This means that S corporations avoid the often-talked about “double-taxation” problem. ) But the “no corporate income taxes” benefit often isn’t a savings for small corporations and their owners.



Suppose that two corporations each earn the same pretax profit of $100,000 and are owned by Devlin who pays the highest federal income tax rate of 35%. One corporation is an S corporation and the other is a C corporation. S corporation can distribute the entire $100,000 in profits to Devlin as dividends because there is no corporate income tax. Devlin then pays $35,000 in personal income taxes on the S corporation profits, which means she nets $65,000 in after-tax profits from S corporation. In comparison, C corporation can’t pay the entire $100,000 in profits to Devlin. C corporation first pays $22,250 in corporate income taxes. When C corporation pays the remaining $77,750 to Devlin as a dividend, Devlin pays another $11,663 in 15% “dividend” taxes on the C corporation. This means that Devlin nets roughly $66,000 in after-tax profits from C corporation. In this case, Devlin saves money with a C corporation in spite of having to pay the corporate income tax.
 
Your examples of the S Corp vs. the C Corp are far off base, a C Corp has many requirements that an S Corp does not have to follow, you can't simply take a figure and compare the two, the other area where an S Corp is valuable vs. not being Incorporated at all, is again law suits.



I have a S Corp and it saves me money hand over fist vs. not being incorporated. It also provides me with many protections that you don't have if something happens. Are you really willing to risk every thing you own just to save the 500 dollar start up cost, the 150 dollar a year state fee and the 400 dollar a year accountant fee to do the taxes, all of the above is deductible by the way!?



Most over the road truck drivers who are independents are S Corps, they start them to have protection of their personal assets!



In your example you can still claim every one of the benefits you listed, only by being an S Corp you also receive protections that you are without right now.
 
An S Corporation owner who thinks he is protected from liability for an accident or injury he is responsible for is dreaming or deceiving himself.



Any rooky lawyer one day out of law school would simply file a lawsuit against the corporation AND ALSO AGAINST THE CORPORATION OWNER. A privately held corporation or closely held corporation such as a corporation owned by a small group or a family would be sued individually and could be found liable by a court.



It's a truck stop myth that an S Corporation will protect the owner.

Harvey
 
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