Competition Race/Pulling P-Pump

[RyanB]

Hey all... I am just in the works of spending a little money and am curious on what you all think of the different Race/Pulling pumps out there?



My pump right now is a 215Hp and thought about putting in a custom plate, 4000RPM spring kit and the whole 9 yards that everyone else does including delivery valves. I then got to thinking about going big time!!!! I have been talking to one of the big shops about one of there Pulling Pumps and would just like to hear a bit from you guys on here about them.



This pump is said to turn up to 5500rpm, set up ready to go and is capable of pumping up to 1200cc's of fuel!!!!!!! My question is how are these pumps set up? do they have the same sort of fuel plate in them as a stocker or are they minus it? I also asume that they come with about the highest flowing delivery valves there are and also all the other goodies. What all comes with the pump? Is the fuel shut down included or would I have to use mine?



My last question is about how user friendly they might be. We just started a Super Street pulling class up here(Same as the DHRA's) and my truck is going to be pulling in it but will also be streetable... . what are you opinions on that?



The price for the pump is $3000/exchanged for my 215pump. Would I just be best to have send my 215 down and have them work on it and set it up or should I take the jump?????



Thanks in advance guys!!



Ryan

 

[Forrest Nearing]

what kind of air are you using to burn all that fuel?



you can make a LOT of power w/ a tweaked 215 pump!!!!!!

 

[RyanB]

Yeah, thats the thing..... I will be running a set of twins (HTB2/64) for the top charger and a HTB3/26. I think I should have enough air but the reason I am thinking about this pump is that in the next year or two we will hopefully be having a mod class and this engine will get pulled and go into that. I am sending the engine out to get dual fire rings (block and head) and also get set up for 14mm studs in the hopes that this class will get moving within the year and I will put just a stock (well tweaked anyway). If I go with the pump here is the list that other things that I will be doing to the engine.



Dual Fire Ring block and head

14mm studs

balance roataing assembly

High Preformance pistons, flycut, total seal rings

Truck pull cam

Titaniam valve spring retainers/keepers

60lbs springs

valve job

Custom injectors

. 120 fuel lines



and a few other goodies.



If I decieded to keep the 215pump I have not decieded to keep the stock pistons or go with some High preformance ones and the cam or just a street cam with no flycutting.



Ryan

 

[GO 4LO]

Yeah, thats the thing..... I will be running a set of twins (HTB2/64) for the top charger and a HTB3/26.

That wouldn't be nearly enough air to burn 1200 cc's of fuel. What is the goal of this project - a streetable puller or a pull-only truck?



Chris

 

[RyanB]

yeah I know its not enough air to burn the fuel... thats why I said that the pump is capable of 1200cc's! Right now it is still a streetable puller but will soon be a pull-only truck!

 

[GO 4LO]

Okay, I guess I misunderstood this line - I thought you were saying you figured these twins would burn the fuel from the race pump.

Yeah, thats the thing..... I will be running a set of twins (HTB2/64) for the top charger and a HTB3/26. I think I should have enough air

For now, I'd use the 215 pump. It's got a pretty good cam in it stock. If you want to go halfway to the race pump, go to 13mm plungers and barrels. Then save $500 or so to get a race cam for the pump later on. The balanced 215 with the stock 12mm plungers and barrels, maxed out with rev kit, dv's, no plate, etc, could put out more fuel than those twins can use, as a street truck.

If you're going straight to the race pump with the performance rebuild, I'd go ahead and do bigger twins now. Maybe a big HX55 or 60 up top over an HX80 or HC5A. You could sell your current twins to recoup some of the cost then...



Hope that helps.

Chris

 

[DPS]

the power you can make is dependent on air and fuel, fuel is not all equal a 215 pump properly tuned will make big power easily and affordably. A built pulling pump however at the same quantity of fuel, lets say 500 cc's has the potential to make more efficient use of the fuel with greater adjustability. (fuel and rpm screws, vs fuel plate) THe best pulling pumps, will have a different gov, quick delivery fuel cam, 13 or 14 mm plungers and many other internal mods that deliver fuel quicker. bottom line is the last place to cut a corner is the fuel system. air is usually more easily changed than spending thousands to try to get a better pump after what you bought is not getting the job done



It is also better to have the big pump running cut back than a smaller pump maxed out.





Josh

www.dieselperformancesolutions.com

 

[Jim Fulmer]

For now, I'd use the 215 pump. It's got a pretty good cam in it stock. If you want to go halfway to the race pump, go to 13mm plungers and barrels



That will support 850 HP!



1200 cc's is some crazy stupid fuel... ... ... ... . my pump is at 700 cc's with pump stand injectors.



Jim

 

[TMRichardson]

kent crowerd pump is about 1000 cc and he is the most power full truck you well ever see.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

No Doubt on Ken's truck! One thing I do know is he runs a much bigger injector than I do as well as more pump... . big difference.



I'd like to know much more than I do but I figure I'll finish before that... ..... I'd play with most anything if I had the parts or money.



Jim

 

[CMNS PWR]

kent crowerd pump is about 1000 cc

Is this speculation, or do you know?

 

[RacinDuallie]

kent crowerd pump is about 1000 cc and he is the most power full truck you well ever see.

Is that what he's pushing or capable of pushing? Jeez ! That's alot of fuel!

 

[RyanB]

Okay guys thanks for all the response so far!



Here is the question of the day though... ... how extreme can you go with the stock 215hp pump? What kind of mods/$$$ does it take to do this? My pump will be off the engine and being sent to where ever it has to if I decied to not buy a race pump.



Thanks again... Ryan

 

[GO 4LO]

Maxed out after balancing on a stand, the 215 can push 650+cc on the stock cam and stock plungers and barrels. Talk to any of the good pulling shops to get pricing, as that varies from one place to another...



Chris

 

[DRadzierez]

to run a pump like Kents or any of the big pumped trucks $3,000. bucks will not get you there and you will not need a core because it is not in a stock case. The pump your talking about is an awsome pump for 3k (and you can get it for less--PM me and I can lead you to it cheaper) but it is not what the big boys are running and dont let someone tell you it is.