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Rear slider window switch – why is it backward?

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Normally I’m pretty tolerant of most of the idiosyncrasies of vehicles. I learn to enjoy the positives and overlook the minor odd design and engineering “mistakes”, particularly those I can’t do much about.

However I discovered one not long after I purchased my new-to-me 2015 3500 last summer when I opened the electric rear slider window. Why, oh why, did the electrical group at Ram decide to make the switch work opposite the way the window slides when watching it in the rear view mirror. I assume all are the same – pull the switch to the left to slide the window right to open it and push it away to the right to slide the window left to close. Whaaaat??

Anyway, I don’t have time to think about it when driving and decided to fix it.

The switch is retained in a section of the overhead console that is about 4 to 5 inches wide and about 3 inches tall. Use a flat trim tool to pull it down on the rear edge and it will pop right out holding the switch. The switch can then be easily removed from this trim panel from the back side by squeezing a couple tabs.

There are 5 wires to the switch, on mine anyway – 2 on one row and 3 on the second row. The first two, a black and orange wire, are the ground and power wire, respectively, for the LED inside the switch to light it up inside when the headlights are on. The other turned out to be the main power supply (center wire, red with yellow tracer) and one each going to the window motor – one to run the motor one way to open the window and one to run it the other way to close (tan with black tracer and tan with red tracer. You simply need to swap the 2 end wires to change switch action.

I discovered the side of the red plug holding the wires swings open to help remove the wires from their sockets, however you still need a very small flat blade type remove tool to release the tiny locking tabs holding the female connectors on each wire from the plug.

Once you swap these two and plug it back onto the switch, the movement of the switch left or right will match the movement of the window open or close.

Snap the switch back into its small panel and snap the panel back into the console and you’re good to go.

Window wires, power in the center, left and right movement related wires on either side.

power and feed wires to window motor II.jpg


Ground and power wire for the internal LED to light up the switch when the headlights are on

ground and power wires for lights-on LED II.jpg

Switch with wiring harness plugged in but with switch out of its trim panel. I've used masking table wrapped around the socket on the switch so I could write what wire does what on the tape.

Wire harnes plugged into switch II.jpg


Hope this helps someone else rectify this annoyance.

JGK
 
Good work...That would also annoy the hell out of my basic OCD!!!

That being said, you can't just flip the switch 180 degrees in the bezel instead of rewiring it??
 
I have powered rear window on both my 2017 and 2019. You're right it's a pain, but It doesn't bother me bad enough to change it. Ram fixed this on the 5th gen as my 2019 1500 is a rocker switch, press top to open press bottom to close.

Thanks for the nice write up. I'm printing this so if/when my type "A"ness (lol) overcomes me, I can do it.

Cheers. Ron
 
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Wow, you guys are anal! What's so hard about 'pull' to open, 'push' to close? I could care less what direction the window moves. Just my .02. I've got bigger things in life to concern myself with!!
 
wyosteve, by definition, that's what type As do. if it weren't for us, folks wouldn't have powered thangs at all, not improve o what we have. The world owes us a debt for the progress we make for all of us.

Cheers, Ron
 
I didn't mean to come across as critical of any type 'A's. It is more amazement since I'm not that way. When the OP said he decided to 'fix' it, I thought there was some problem and still not sure that his 'fix' is really a 'fix' or just a preference. Anyway, to each their own!
 
I'm just being funny, no harm. this is what Old retired Type A Rednecks like me do. I'm on old industrial technologist; process and product improvement was part of my job in the military and my job afterwards. You really have to have a thick skin and sense of humor in that line of work, you won't see me get too excited here.

What I think is interesting is Ram fixed it on the 5th Gen.

Cheers, Ron
 
All that being said, I am STILL wondering if the switch can simply be flipped in the bezel to fix the issue for those who want to??
 
All that being said, I am STILL wondering if the switch can simply be flipped in the bezel to fix the issue for those who want to??
Thought same. Lighting doesn't seem to be an issue if it's inside the switch. I must be missing something.....
Ok, I just physically checked. No way to just flip switch in bezel.

Great write up!
 
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yep, LEDs are polarity sensitive. the modular switch has a hardwired connector. The OP is changing wires on the truck side jack.

Ron
 
All that being said, I am STILL wondering if the switch can simply be flipped in the bezel to fix the issue for those who want to??

Seafish, I was hoping for the same thing. Not so. It is specially shaped and the bezel it sits in is likewise shaped such that it can't accommodate that simple solution. Another "feature" some engineer thought was an improvement.

But seriously, kids, this is no big thing. A minor annoyance. I like to tinker. But it is one that is easily fixed and doesn't require pulling the transmission :)
 
We should also thank the regulation writers who said you can't push a switch to close it--a safety issue, even if the switch is overhead! Probably the same bureaucrats who decreed you can't have a rearview mirror come on in "dark" and made Lotus recall some cars to install an inside mirror in a car with no rear window. D'oh!
 
on the 2019s you push to open and push to close... switch is vertical versus the current horizontal orientation. Windows are the same.

Ron
 
Thanks for the write up. I did my 2012 the week after I got it, annoyed the hell out of me too, never thought about it after that until now.
 
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