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I have been considering what I need to do in order to go full-time somewhere in the next four to eight years when I retire.

Cost is clearly a concern; it is very easy to have champagne taste, but the reality is that the budget will allow beer.

I have been asking on the rv forum about the practicality of buying an older unit and having it largely refurbished. From what I can tell, this is a practical approach, resulting in a much lower cost than a new unit. It looks to me like this approach would work particularly well for fifth wheel trailers because there appear to be plenty of older fifth wheels around from quality manufacturers, some of whom are no longer in business (e.g., Nu-Wa, Excel Peterson, Carriage, etc.) There are even businesses which specialize in such an approach, such as Kansas RV Center.

While I would like to have a brand new 3500 dually and Mobile Suites trailer or Newmar motor home, that is definitely much more like a bottle of champagne than a case of Bud.

As an example of an alternative, I see a 2007 34 ft Nu-Wa Hitchhiker fifth wheel listed at $29K. It looks pretty OK inside, but let’s assume we update the flooring, furniture, appliances, etc. We should also update the suspension, maybe to the Mor-Ryde IS suspension system with disc brakes and H-rated tires. It seems to me we can come out with a great trailer for $60K, a much lower cost than a new trailer (of course, we may also find a 2012 Mobile Suites that needs little updating for an even better overall price).

It looks to me like this approach would certainly hold for a motorhome as well.

So, my question is really geared to those folk who full-time or plan to: was this an approach you considered? Why or why not?

Thanks!
 
I've thought about doing the same thing, and then saw the thread the other day that mentioned some RV Parks that would not take units over 10 years old....got my attention for sure..
 
I think that is an excellent idea and I would definitely consider something like that. I think the key is find an older high quality trailer that was built with aluminum framing and a fiberglass roof. This will give you a trailer unlikely to rot away. I would stay away from rubber roofs and wood framing if possible. I have gone through my Aviator front to back inspecting and improving. I even spent all last winter with the underbelly cover off going through all that I could. I redid plumbing, wiring, duct work, added a second fresh water tank and lots of insulation. Everything was functional but I didn't like the sloppy way they put things to together. If you have the means to do it yourself that's the route I would take. I found the work enjoyable and really not expensive. I also plan on extensive travel in about 5-9 years and want a solid trailer that is paid for!
 
I think that is an excellent idea and I would definitely consider something like that. I think the key is find an older high quality trailer that was built with aluminum framing and a fiberglass roof. This will give you a trailer unlikely to rot away. I would stay away from rubber roofs and wood framing if possible.

Personally, I wouldn't let an otherwise exceptional RV with an EPDM roof be a deal-breaker. If you're going to refurbish the RV, chances are that you're going to do something with the roof. At that point, other options exist such as the RV Armor roof system that has a lifetime transferable labor and material warranty. Old fiberglass roofs are not without their problems as well.

Rusty
 
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Russell, and some very good points from several contributors. In truth, I had never considered a rebuilt unit until you mentioned it. I wasn't
aware that there were several companies that specialized in doing this. I will be most interested in the feed-back that you receive on this
thread. And yes, RV Armor is an outfit that presents a pretty good argument for their product.

- Ed
 
Lots of food for thought in the above. Ed makes a good point on getting a unit which was well engineered and intended for full-time use originally. I don't know that much - mostly from reading on these forums. But it seems there were good manufacturers and still are. The price new is simply not possible for me.

Clearly, the more you can do yourself the happier you will be, and the more cost effective.

It occurs to me that a lot of patience and a very critical eye are required as well.

As far as the ten year old rule, I think each person needs to gauge the importance themselves. I want to stay as close to nature as possible - national forest, national park, state park, etc. I never heard of ten year rule for that. Also, I never have personally come across, and we stayed at private campgrounds with our 1995 Jayco in 2013 - 2014. I'd need to hear more about how prevalent that is.

Ed, I suggest taking a look at the Kansas RV Center website.
 
I bought my "used very little" TT off the original owners. Some isuses I came across were windows that wouldn't open from lack of use and and old leak that was poorly fixed with silicone. The tires "looked" good and had no age cracks but I blew one. Fortunately I have a buddy in the RV repair business and with his help we were able to fix things for a lot less than it would have cost me in any shop. The next time I buy an RV I will "hire" him for the day and take him with me even if it is hundreds of clicks away.

David
 
If you are looking for a late model used NuWa Hitchhiker 5th wheel, the first thing I would check is make sure it wasn't built on a Lippert frame. As a former owner of NuWa products, I wouldn't consider any Hitchhiker product built on a Lippert frame. The other frame available on Hitchhikers were built by a local frame manufacturer, Young's Welding. There will be a metal tag on the hitch with the words " Frame by Young's Welding". Those frames were quality built, very robust, and gave very few problems. The use of Lippert frames was a desperate attempt, however, it proved to be a very unwise decision by NuWa to reduce cost in order to be more competitive with the Indiana built RVs.

Bill
 
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If you are looking for a late model used NuWa Hitchhiker 5th wheel, the first thing I would check is make sure it wasn't built on a Lippert frame. As a former owner of NuWa products, I wouldn't consider any Hitchhiker product built on a Lippert frame. The other frame available on Hitchhikers were built by a local frame manufacturer (I have forgotten the name, but there will be a metal tag on the hitch with the words " Frame by Xxxx Welding) that built frames exclusively for NuWay. Those frames were quality built, very robust, and gave very few problems. The use of Lippert frames was a desperate attempt, however, it proved to be a very unwise decision by NuWa to reduce cost in order to be more competitive with the Indiana built RVs.

Bill

Bill,

Was it Young's Welding?

Lippert tried for many years to sell Jayco their frames, but Jayco would only use Leland Engineering as a frame supplier. Lippert finally gave up and bought Leland Engineering. :mad:

Rusty
 
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I was taken by surprise when I read that thread last week about the age rule at some parks. I'm sure that it keeps the riff raff down and the park looking a lot better. I'm willing to bet that pictures of a well kept older unit would still get me into some of them. It involves the area of the country where I plan to winter out in the future so I need to keep that in mind.

I'm all for fixing up older stuff. These RV's really are not all that technical and if it was a quality unit to start with then why not refurb it. I know that my crappy Keystone Cougar is twice the trailer now then when it was built. After my suspension overhaul last year, the new thicker walled axles several years ago, fixing the leaks that it had when new, etc. I will put it up against a lot of newer mid grade units.

I have studied the EPDM roof sheet replacement and it does not scare me. As long as the roof stringers are in good condition and it is an aluminum framed trailer then why not. I'll do mine when the time comes, plus I bet some beer combined with the adhesive will make the weekend just fly by...:D:-laf
 
Thor, Lippert and Camping World, soon we will be talking a Telephone Company type mandated break up.

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I think you can find a good quality used trailer and do the updating. As the comments above show, if you can do work yourself you will save. But I think you can save even if you have work done. It seems to me that the key is close inspection of what you are buying, and learning all you can about what is available.

I am going to ask about the ten year rule on the rv forum - my bet is that you will be ok with a picture 90% of the time. I wont be hanging with the $800K Prevost crowd anyhow.
 
I think you can find a good quality used trailer and do the updating. As the comments above show, if you can do work yourself you will save. But I think you can save even if you have work done. It seems to me that the key is close inspection of what you are buying, and learning all you can about what is available.

I am going to ask about the ten year rule on the rv forum - my bet is that you will be ok with a picture 90% of the time. I wont be hanging with the $800K Prevost crowd anyhow.

The whole issue with the 10 year rule basically applies to higher end parks. My guess would be that more Palm Springs area parks are strict on this. Example the Outdoor Resort there, Pam Creek Golf and RV in Casa Grande and other other high end resorts..

Snoking
 
Bill,

Was it Young's Welding?

Lippert tried for many years to sell Jayco their frames, but Jayco would only use Leland Engineering as a frame supplier. Lippert finally gave up and bought Leland Engineering. :mad:

Rusty

Rusty,

You are correct! Thanks for jogging my old cluttered mind. I'll try editing my post.

Using Lippert frames probably was one of several reasons for NuWA's downfall. Attempting to cut costs by cheapening the frame, even though NuWa insisted that Lippert was building frames to their specifications. it should have been a big red flag. IIRC, at that time I think Young's Welding couldn't keep up with the demand and NuWa was looking for another supplier and a way to be more competitive.

Bill
 
The whole issue with the 10 year rule basically applies to higher end parks. My guess would be that more Palm Springs area parks are strict on this. Example the Outdoor Resort there, Pam Creek Golf and RV in Casa Grande and other other high end resorts..

Snoking


My wife and I just returned from a trip to MI and staying in several RV parks in that state over the past couple of weeks. These were not high end parks, average cost was between $45 and $50 a night for full-hook-ups One park would not accept any fifth wheel over ten years old or a class A motor home over 15 years, no exceptions. The other two parks would accept older model trailers/motor homes. but they needed to be cleaned and in good repair. They needed to be reviewed by the staff before the trailer was allowed in the park. In between these trips to MI, we stayed at a Yogi Bear park in IL with my granddaughter at $57 a night (her first time camping). This park had units in such sad shape that they should be marked uninhabited and condemned, I could not believe people would actually sleep in them. So I can understand the 10 year rule and accept it.
 
For your viewing enjoyment I offer the following completely off the wall approach to your personal definition of RV touring. They call themselves Bus Nuts.

http://www.busnut.com/home.html

We saw several of these repurposed GreyHounds at a camp and then a Prevost pulled up along side one what a hoot comparing the Nascar themed GreyHound to a Prevost that had 4 wiper blades on the front, 2 for driver and 2 vista view for the upper glass.
 
Here's an old Greyhound next to that 4 wiper Prevost. I asked one of them for a wrench I didn't carry that trip, he opened a luggage compartment and pulled out a huge toolbox on slides, here it is. They said the rigs were capable of shuttling an engine in the luggage bay to a location while making a run, here's your engine Joe. Fuel gauge was a steel dipstick in the tank. All but one were manuals and when that "city bus" rolled in it ROARED to get it rolling. Each interior was your imagination, skills and budget.

Bus Nut.JPG
 
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