Remote Engine oil filters

[BIGNASTY]

Has anyone use anything like this ? Good info or Bad would be appreciated, Never did like the idea of where Cummins put the Eng. Oil filter and it would make the job a little easier IMO



http://inet.derale.com/clientdocs/1_387.pdf



Thanks

BIG

 

[Killgore]

Big, this could be a very good item to consider installing on the 2013's. Those of us that were fortunate enough to have the opportunity to be in Columbus and take the CMEP tour were scratching our heads trying to figure out how to change out the oil filter without disassembly of the whole right side of the engine compartment. I see this as both a convenience item and a labor saver. Maybe someone else has more experience in this area. Ed

 

[BIGNASTY]

Ed thanks I see it on my and my Sons trucks as being a convenience thing seems like a PITA to reach up when under the truck and in a floor Pit my arms are pretty long, but not able to drag my knuckles of the floor long. Would be a whole lot better and cleaner to have it down someplace where I could get at it. If im still around next year on this site (?) I would like to attend the CMEP tour I have looked at the pictures posted and looks like a good time.

 

[Killgore]

Oh, you'll be around BIG! We need you to stir the pot and keep the blood flowing. It was really a good event and the beer's on me at the next one. Ed

 

[AH64ID]

I know that the 3rd gen 5. 9's, and possibly 6. 7's, don't like remote oil filters. They tend to have low oil pressure indications on startup.

I am not sure if it's specific to a certain filter/mount/location or what, I just know that the potential exists.

 

[B.G. Smith]

I can remember when they were all remote mounted but I think they were not full flow filter systems, just filtered a side stream. If you can get the correct line sizes etc. so as not to restrict the flow my only concern would be that you are adding another possibility of oil pressure loss due to line failure. bg

 

[SMcGrady]

I am not sure if this relates... I used to have a motorcycle and the oil filter was located under a plate, behind the exhaust. a real pain in the butt to do an oil change as you had to drop the exhaust to access the plate & filter. there were several oil filter relocation kits available and I chose one that made the most sense to me for it's location and orientation (it threaded upwards and allowed you to prefill the filter before installing it). I installed it and everything was great. I rode that bike for many years without any trouble... However the motorcycle forum that I was a member of began to have very heated discussions about the remote oil filters. Lots of stories about possible reduced flow due to line/port size, (and the resulting damage), vs ease of access and increased cooling due to filter being out in the airstream...
Like I said, I had no problems at all. But there could be some legitimate questions about reduced flow thru the system with a remote?

 

[BIGNASTY]

I know that the 3rd gen 5. 9's, and possibly 6. 7's, don't like remote oil filters. They tend to have low oil pressure indications on startup.



I am not sure if it's specific to a certain filter/mount/location or what, I just know that the potential exists.

When I thought of this I was thinking that I would use as big a line size as practical for that very reason. Don't want to cause any kind of flow restriction. After I wrote this from reading AH64ID's post I read BG Smith's and SMcGrady's post seems like we all had the same line of thought

 

[AH64ID]

I have thought about doing one for a while, not for filter access since the fender removes easily, and then adding an oil cooler to the mix.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Oil ever really ever get that hot?

 

[PToombs]

Some industrial machines had a different plate in place of the oil filter mounting plate that had a pair of fittings for remotely mounting the filter. My friends Samsung excavator with a 4bt has this setup. The filter is out next to the side panel for easy access. IIRC it has 3/4 inch lines to it.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Some industrial machines had a different plate in place of the oil filter mounting plate that had a pair of fittings for remotely mounting the filter. My friends Samsung excavator with a 4bt has this setup. The filter is out next to the side panel for easy access. IIRC it has 3/4 inch lines to it.

Wouldn't a guy use the same ID hose as the ID of the stock filter inlet? and be good with that! Havent really taken a look at the task yet. Son changed his oil and had a time to get the filter off of the OEM position. He has a strap wrench which I hate, but that's what he had to use.

 

[PToombs]

Big, I think that's what size it is, IIRC. I know the filter inlet is good sized. I know the hoses are regular hydraulic hoses with crimped on fittings that go to a remote filter head. It has been a few months since I was under the hood of it (Thank God!).

 

[AH64ID]

Oil ever really ever get that hot?

It can on long grades, especially with modified engines.

 

[Jim W]

Big, in my humble opinion you need to look at the hose fitting ID and the hose stem fitting ID. This is where you will have the pressure drop that will occur and could present the restriction to the oil flow to the engine. I know when we sized the hydraulic line requirements for any given component this, was always a consideration. The ID of the hose stem and fitting are always smaller than the dimensions that are listed for the fitting due to wall thickness requirements of the components.

This may not matter with hot/warm oil is it will flow easier but on cold start ups at -20F will there be enough oil flow through the fittings to the engine to prevent oil starvation? That is what I would be concerned about. If this was such a good Idea I think the Cummins engineers would have proposed this to Ram as a work around the filter issues on the 2013 3500HD trucks and 2014 2500HD trucks. This filter changing issues was pointed out to Ram by the Cummins integration team and Ram said the frame changes are required in order to meet the towing requirements so the bottom plate stays.

Jim W.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Big, in my humble opinion you need to look at the hose fitting ID and the hose stem fitting ID. This is where you will have the pressure drop that will occur and could present the restriction to the oil flow to the engine. I know when we sized the hydraulic line requirements for any given component this, was always a consideration. The ID of the hose stem and fitting are always smaller than the dimensions that are listed for the fitting due to wall thickness requirements of the components.

This may not matter with hot/warm oil is it will flow easier but on cold start ups at -20F will there be enough oil flow through the fittings to the engine to prevent oil starvation? That is what I would be concerned about. If this was such a good Idea I think the Cummins engineers would have proposed this to Ram as a work around the filter issues on the 2013 3500HD trucks and 2014 2500HD trucks. This filter changing issues was pointed out to Ram by the Cummins integration team and Ram said the frame changes are required in order to meet the towing requirements so the bottom plate stays.

Jim W.

A pretty good point on this idea Jim. I would like to move the filter but its not as big a deal for me with my FS2500 I don't change as often as the Son does without the Bypass. But excellent point on the - weather

 

[Scrappy]

Has anyone use anything like this ? Good info or Bad would be appreciated, Never did like the idea of where Cummins put the Eng. Oil filter and it would make the job a little easier IMO



http://inet.derale.com/clientdocs/1_387.pdf



Thanks

BIG

in theory it looks good BUT I don't like having to rely on the snapring to apply pressure to keep the oring sealed to the block! remote is good but I will not risk a $10K+ engine to a design that relies on a 10 cent snapring!

 

[DClark]

I had a '91 Dakota, which required removing the fender liner to get to the oil filter. Mounted the remote on the fendere under the hood. Worked great, no problems. I currently have a boat with the GM 4. 3 V6. Filter was a pain to reach in the bilge so I have a remote out at the front of the bilge where I can reach it easy. Again, no problems. In both cases the adapter screwed on the block just like the the filter did. No leaks and oil pressure was good. I would want to know that this unit or any unit for that matter, was designed for the Cummins diesel before using it. If the '13 is that hard to get to you can bet that someone will design a remote for it and have it tested and approved.
DClark