Removing the DPF Filter

[PaulBarker]

Can anybody give me(us) a update on when it will be possible to remove everything from the turbo back on the 6. 7. Also how will it be programmed to do so, will it be a box that you plug into the unplugged sensors? Its been said that the GM guys are able to remove theres without any problems, according to RBP. they sell the exhaust system to do it. Also, why cant these flash turners have a feature to force a regen if need? that would be a great selling point. I'm just saying!!!!!!

 

[Doughboy21kd]

I've been following a thread over on cummins forum and there's a lot of people that have already bought a DPF delete kit... .





DPF Delete installed yesterday - Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum



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HS DPF Delete kit (installed pics) - Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum



6. 7 DPF Delete kit (2 short video clips) - Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum

 

[Bob4x4]

The chevy controller is much easier to hack than ours :-laf



Bob

 

[captaindean]

So where do I find this h&s kit before the fedralies or the smog police shut them down

 

[PaulBarker]

call and email H & S They are the HOOK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- email address removed --
435-669-3709

 

[JoelMartin]

My buddy has the C&C and pulls heavy alot. He took his DPF off and knocked all the screen stuff out and put it back on. It worked good for a while and his fuel mileage went up a little but now it seems to be losing power. Guess that probably voids his warranty so now what?

 

[PaulBarker]

my suggestion be to tell your buddy to have a friend buy when from a dealer that he does not go to. If he did the DPF and Cat than he needs to buy a new one to replace. Or call H & S and tell him the story, maybe he has a unit for the C & C. Good luck





reason why a friend should do this at another dealer

1 friend(one that doesn't own a dodge) should do it so his name is not in the system for buying one, they cant link the two together

2 just a safe bet if you dont buy parts for your truck that could or will void warranty at your dealer

3 sucks to be your friend, DPF's aren't cheap

 

[JoelMartin]

Thanx for the advice. What does this H&S guy have?

 

[PaulBarker]

the guys at h & s make a system to replace the dpft and cat. they have box that plugs inline to fool the sensors so yu can run without the emmiesion stuff. they may have that kit out for the cc in a week or two.

you dont want to go to the dealer with dpf problems if it has been shelled out. they are going to srew your buddy and void that warranty. if he doesnt want to wait and put that dpf delete system on he should have a friend go to a different dealer than he uses to buy the replacement parts. if he buys the parts from the dealer he uses to get warranty work done they are going to be very curious why he wants it since nobody out there has a 6. 7 that is out of warranty yeat. you know what i am saying. playing it safe. money wasted is money you cant spend on diesel

 

[Bob4x4]

the guys at h & s make a system to replace the dpft and cat. they have box that plugs inline to fool the sensors so yu can run without the emmiesion stuff. they may have that kit out for the cc in a week or two.

you dont want to go to the dealer with dpf problems if it has been shelled out. they are going to srew your buddy and void that warranty. if he doesnt want to wait and put that dpf delete system on he should have a friend go to a different dealer than he uses to buy the replacement parts. if he buys the parts from the dealer he uses to get warranty work done they are going to be very curious why he wants it since nobody out there has a 6. 7 that is out of warranty yeat. you know what i am saying. playing it safe. money wasted is money you cant spend on diesel

The parts are most likely on the restricted list and will require a vin to get them.



Bob

 

[JoelMartin]

I'll tell my buddy about this H&S guy. Appreciate the advice.

 

[Wolfy]

Eye of the beholder...

you dont want to go to the dealer with dpf problems if it has been shelled out. they are going to srew your buddy and void that warranty.

A rig is bought with up-front requirements for maintenance of warranty.



The contracted terms are deliberately violated by the purchaser.



Warranty work is subsequently denied.



And THE COMPANY is the party who is "srewing" someone?



I'm no saint, and increasingly a member of yesterday's generation, ... but I gotta support the concept of personal responsibility.

 

[PaulBarker]

but at the same time how could someone side with a company that has and is selling thousands of $45,000 units with problems. worst is that they know they are doing it too and they don't know what will happen to them at 100k miles. nobody can argue that cause if it wasn't true we wouldn't have any problems now. so who is more at fault. somebody trying to make lemon-aid out of lemons or somebody selling lemons calling them apples? so dont trash somebody for trying to fix a truck with faults.
i dont think we have seen the worst of the problems caused by the DPF. Regens not working on some, Turbos are going out due to either, back pressure from the DPF, Carbon build up from the DPF, or raw fuel pumped thru it from regen. what about longer term effect from carbon build up on valve seats? from the added back pressure you dont get the flow so you will have a ton more carbon build up. if you dont believe me pull off your dpf and look for your self. and a 6. 7 dyno after a dpf delete was put on it gained 85ftlbs at the rear wheels. that filter is chokeding that truck!!
i lemoned my 1st 6. 7. in four months it spent over 40 days in the shop. A Cat, DPF, Sensors, four flashes, and two turbos later i got a new truck. this 6. 7 has been great, knock on wood.

also you dont give them your VIN # to purchase a DPF Delete, you have to sign a waiver saying you wont use it on the street. but you dont give them your VIN

 

[Wolfy]

so dont trash somebody for trying to fix a truck with faults.

Paul,



You raise many valid concerns. The tighter emissions restrictions may be beneficial in the end, but the changed ball game has manufacturers and their very competent engineers struggling with new questions in un-explored territory. I and all other owners support the expectation that D/C should, and hopefully will, come up with answers.



I do not take the position that any company is faultless, ... and any owner is free to attempt any fix they come up with, but there is a cost for experimentation.



The only thing I was trashing was the idea that someone would knowingly violate terms of an agreement, and then expect to be treated the same as if they hadn't.



If a person does that, and is "srewd" out of warranty coverage as a result, ... they did it to themselves.



If they then cry about it, ... I think they need a ride in a waaah-mbulance. ;-)



There are many perfectly good reasons why a company will require that Joe Backyard not modify a complex high-tech piece of machinery, if warranty service is to be provided by the company.



Such a policy must be a broad one, and exceptions cannot be expected for the rare highly-knowledgeable and capable Joe.



IMO, the bottom line is this: Anyone can modify to their heart's content, but should realize the warranty consequences, and accept responsibility for them. No one is being "srewed" if the company holds them to a contract which is mutually understood at the start.



There are plenty of out-of-warranty rigs available to the experimenter. If someone is determined to do-it-yourself on a new one, they have to accept that the factory will not back them.

 

[Wolfy]

a 6. 7 dyno after a dpf delete was put on it gained 85ftlbs at the rear wheels. that filter is chokeding that truck!!

i lemoned my 1st 6. 7. in four months it spent over 40 days in the shop. A Cat, DPF, Sensors, four flashes, and two turbos later i got a new truck. this 6. 7 has been great, knock on wood.

Paul,



First, some empathy, and then some comment on a couple of the many points you raise:



If I had had your lemon experience, I would be exasperated and irate, and mistrustful of the future.



But note your so-far-so-good experience with your newer rig, and the same experience of myself and others.



Let's hope that the trouble-free (so far) trucks indicate that there is at least some potential for a fine working truck when all the newness is sorted-out, ... and that the troublesome trucks will serve to point out the bugs upon which the tweaking must be focused.



Now, about the "choking". Don't you think the Cummins engineers are well-versed about the capabilities of their designs? I don't think a dyno result is news to them. They KNOW what this engine is capable of, now, in the future, modified, stock, choked, free-breathing, ... whatever.



But they have a goal for the present, which is not just about power. They are trying to meet "adequate" performance levels, for the needs of their customers (and to meet sales competition) , ... while at the same time having emissions goals.



This demands compromises to performance. If the "choking" helps serve the emission reduction purpose, and still gives the customer a 350/650 performance level, ... then the compromise may be "acceptable" in a situation that dictates attention to both factors.



A great many owners have expressed delight with the power levels this engine gives. The more-is-always-better group, by definition, will never be satisfied.



So if D/C can deal with the issues you have brought up, even if the "choking" remains a required part of emissions reduction, the fact that the engine COULD be made to produce more power will be a non-issue for most owners, especially those who also share the viewpoint that less "stuff" in the air we breathe is a good thing. ;-)



In short, Cummins has given us stock, smooth-and-quiet engines with performance that would have been considered GREAT a few years back, ... with invisible exhaust, excellent exhaust-braking, etc. , etc.



Some, maybe most, seem to be doing OK. Others have more or fewer of the inevitable new-tech "bugs".



D and C are working on them.



Hopefully all we need is a good supply of patience.



Meanwhile, ... thank goodness for lemon-laws, huh?

 

[Bob4x4]

Hey Wolfy,There is something we both agree on.



Bob

 

[PaulBarker]

well you bring up some very good points. But i know what both sides are going through, those who have a 6. 7 with many problems and those who have a great truck. I still feel the hell more than the heaven of a 6. 7. if you have a great truck you have no idea what it is like to be towed to a dealer at 2am 500 miles from home with only 1200miles on the clock. and have them tell you dodge doesnt cover a rental or a hotel room. i still feel that there is going to be alot of problems later down the road after my warranty is up. at the moment my truck is stock. i dont think you see what i mean by choking. its not the choking, its cause and effect. what are the long term effects from it. only place the carbon is burnt out of is at the DPF. what is the extra carbon going to do at the turbo or valves. is dodge going to do anything for me at 80k miles when i have problems from this. i dont know and i dont want to find out.
5. 9's werent designed for a pickup. it was designed for continous higher rpm with a sustained load. 5. 9 will last longer if it pulls and than a 5. 9 that runs empty. being that a 5. 9 gave birth to the 6. 7 i would think that is the same.

but i got off of topic here. people are going to do what best suits them. if i test new stuff on my truck to over all help and break stuff in the process. i will warranty it if i have it. i dont want a GM, Ford, or anything else. I think the cummins is a great motor just the EpA sucks. Dodge is selling a known problem. a 2007 DOES NOT need to have EPA regulated emmision (blue tech or star) on them. why couldn't they taken one more year before they sold unproven equipment.
i suppose we will find out. maybe this will be a great truck for yrs to come. or maybe one day somebody will remember reading this thinking they should have put the DPF Delete on and taken the chance.

with a honest heart you are totally right, i should roll over, wait and see how they will perfect the 6. 7

 

[PaulBarker]

also, you dont want to get caught with out your DPF or Cat. thats big money fine

 

[courierdog]

I have been following this thread with interest. The EPA rules do no apply here in Canada, it is assumed, not mandated. However, Warranty dictates all equipment stays in place as manufactured. According to the purchase agreement the Chrysler warranty covers the entire truck, bumper to bumper and Cummins warranty covers the Engine. This being said what happens when the warranty expires. To be honest, then it is my choice within the laws of my country of residence. I choose the Dodge/Cummins 6. 7 because it was designed from the ground up for ULSD which is the only fuel available south of the Arctic circle and North of the 49th parallel. I am a retired Engineer and to use a very old similar Quote, "Have Truck, Will Travel" I like to drive and what better way to do it than to be paid to drive the best truck currently made.

Yes, most of the time is spent running empty at highway speeds. I have not had the extreme issues some report but I have experienced some of the typical symptoms. I currently have the AU reflash which has resolved a majority of the symptoms. I still have EGT's which are higher than I would like to see. I am working with the dealer to install a bypass oil filter in an attempt to control the soot contamination of the oil. I run about 10,000 Km per month.

I appreciate the cooler heads here on TDR to resolve and discuss the issues openly and without prejudice.

 

[PaulBarker]

well i would say canada has one up on us. being that you dont have the slimy EPA or Al Gore in your country. its up to you. I myself am going to chance with removing the DPF but i am going to carry everything that i remove in my truck. In case i run into problems and in need to go to a dealer for problem solving. thankfully the mega cab has the room behind the back seat to carry it. as much as i love a cummins motor i dont trust anything on that truck, nor do i trust the dpf delete system but i am going to try to.