Replaced all 6 tires on my Keystone

[EricBu12]

Hey all,



This is a thing where Last year I had a blowout or just a leak and then blew... On my '03 Keystone Raptor... ... didn't know what happened so I put the spare on and gotten another spare that is good...



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Now, I went to Moab this last week and on one leg to Dewey bridge from moab, Had another blow on the left rear. . just like the pictures above,... . OK, changed that tire to spare and while I was doing that, I noticed 2 or more of the others were rounded on the tread... . Uh separation!! ... but danged close to blowing... . So all the tires are bad.



Drove Slowly to Moab to replace them and found out the Manufacture code of the tires called "mission" . . was made in West Taipei, Taiwan. !! ALL THE TIRES WERE CRAP. . !!



So, I got 6 Tires called "Tow Master". . Found out they are made by Goodyear and in Quebec, Canada. . So better anyway... Same weight rating and Pressure.



Now Before, the old tires were always pretty hot going long distance even aired up properly. ... . Now the new tires do properly and are not too hot from highway speeds and I think I am getting better milage judging from the overhead computer verses what I was seeing from the other tires.



So anyway, Look for my other thread on the Moab trip from this last week to see what fun I had regardless.



Eric

 

[DaveK98]

After I lost a tire that looked just like yours I put on my spare. Problem was that the spare was junk as well. I wound up replacing all 4 tires right away as I'm sure I would have had more problems.



I'm looking for a second spare and the rim's I have look just like the ones you have alum with the small circle hole in them.....

 

[EricBu12]

Seems like the aluminum rims I have are pretty tough. When they blew, they were riding on the rubber that was left so no damage on the rims... .



These new tires seem to be doing well... . In running them for a few hundred miles, they don't get hot and seem to roll better... .



the spare I have right now is a Carlisle 10 ply. . I know carlisle tires are bad but for a spare, it should be good...

 

[Jeff Knight]

Eric, Are the tires on your 5'er 15"? If so, do you think it woud do better with 16" tires? Just a thought. Jeff

 

[KSears]

what brand tires and manufacture date were on your trailer that went bad? I have a toy hauler also, another manufacturer but am curious if a common link of tires could be used. Might be useful to other members what type of tires to look out for problems with,,thanks for the post.

 

[jelag]

I'd make the following suggestion based on pulling a 24K lb trailer 200 K miles or so...



1 - check the weight of the trailer wet... . on a set of scales and compute the weight on each tire... . I fould that often trailer axles don't have the right tires to do the job...



2 - run the tires at close to max air pressure checking them before each trip... . or trailers have floating bearings in oil... not grease...



3 - I carry a point and shoot temp gauge... ifrared... available at costco for 59. 00 bucks or so... got one in each truck... when I potty stop... I walk around the trailer... checking each hub, each tire, and each disc brake rotor... . all rotors should be within 30 to 40 * of each other... . each tire needs to be within 20 * of each other and not over 120 *, and each hub should be under 120* and within 20* of each other... .



Any one reading High is a warning... . and brake rotor or drum thats LOW is a sign of that brake not working.....



If I find a hub or tire too high... . I coax it back home or to a place of repair and check it out... ... I've had my share of blow outs... and one axle with bearing frozen from lack of grease..... never again..... I'd drop 100 bucks to have it checked and not find a thing... than the cost of a road call at 1 in the morning... . with a blown tire.....



Just my 2 cents worth... .

 

[Foil Freak 1211]

Eric, were you lucky enough to avoid damage to your trailer from the blowout? I had two Roadmaster tires separate on me last year (two separate trips). Fortunatly, they were on the same side. Unfortunatly, it did about $1500 of damage to my 5er. I too ended up buying 4 new tires, didn't change my spare. Hopefully that won't bite me in the arse.

 

[EricBu12]

I have minor Sh. Mtl. damage from the first one, was able to cut and bend to look OK... . this new one has a little less damage but the Sh. Mtl. might be able to bend bak into shape... . have to make another mudflap though... .



I am like 2240 # under the rating of the tires so that is like 373# per tire... (rated at 15240... . And weighs 13000 full water and Toy Gas)... . the front of the trailer is up a little like an inch..... but the suspension has the rocker equalizers on the springs so the rear tires shouldn't be that much heavier... . the tires are pretty much luke warm to cool when I get off the highway and the hubs are not much warmer so I think these should do good now... the old ones were always pretty hot by comparison to these... . the brand on them was "Mission" and my trailer is an 03 model.

 

[litespeed]

In a triple axle setup the GoodYear Wrangler HT (10 ply) is a great tire for heavier campers. Used these tires extensively without problems FYI. You can get them any where and they are the same size as the tires on the truck.



They last a long time and can handle the rigors of towing. Especially with triple axles, where the tires get "deflected" more than on a double axle setup.



235 85 16



Not sure what size you have. Could be different on that setup.



Sucks about the blowout. Looks like you did well though... ...



Lucky... . Could have been much worse!



AJ

 

[BILLUA]

I have been battling roadmaster trailer tires on my boat trailer for 4 years... . They are JUNK. . It is 1 235 60 15 only rated at 1600lbs at 45 psi... Also, I believe they are only 4 ply and junk... . My boat and trailer are 6000 lbs DRY. . So, I finally just realized the problem that the trailer manufacturer set me up with tires only rate for 6400 lbs total...



After my last blow out and 4th total including 2 replacement wheels. I called an complained to the trailer manufacturer and told them that the Roadmasters sucked. .



Voilà, Carlisle just came out with a Utrasport radial trailer tire in 235 60 15 rated at 2200 lbs @ 65 PSI , D rated 8 ply tire... That is more like it and I feel I should get my monies worth out of these... .



I do not know why in the heck I never paid attention to the roadmaster load rating... I guess I just figured they were correct for the application... . It cost me about 600 dollars to figure out my mistake...



Moral of the story??? If you are having trailer tire problems, look at the load rating of the tire and move into higher load rated tire if available for your application...

 

[EricBu12]

Bill,



I did and the tires were rated for the load with 2000 # to spare... just the cheap tire came apart from poor quality...



... Guy twlling me about the Goodyear 16's... .



I don't have a lot of room between my tires to go bigger... right now I have 225/75 R- 15... D rated 8 ply at 2540# @ 65 psi... . I have like 4" between the tread and when I turn, one side gets less... this is a tripple axle and weight rating above is at 15240# for all 6... enough for my wet and loaded trailer.



Bill,



beware as I also heard Carlisle tires are bad and have a tendancy to come apart... . but for your weight, they might do OK...



Anyone else know of a 10 ply 15" other than Carlisle and I think I heard Denman or something like it are bad makes... ???

 

[Silver600]

My trailer has the same problem with room for larger tires, I found Michelin XPS Ribs in 225/75R16 (E rated) and they are 1 inch larger diameter so I think I will have room for them but I am still researching. As much research as they put into these trailers I still can't figure out why everyone went triple axle and 15 inch wheels for the large toyhaulers.

 

[docjara]

Bought a 2005 Hornet Hideout 3 weeks ago in New York. I live in Illinois and on the way home the tires got hot and I had a sidewall split. Luck would have it I found it before the tire exploded. The original tires were Bias Ply tires which cost less but tend to run hotter. I replaced all four and the spare with Radial Tires which have a better weight rating and run cooler and have higher air pressure ratings. They say you get better gas milage with radial tires.

 

[y-knot]

regaurdless of the tire brand there is more then likely a real good reason the same (3rd axle) tires keep poping. I would imagine you do not have the trailer level when towing. Even a little off makes a huge differance on a tri-axle trailer. These trailers are so heavy they take very little to overcome the weight limit on the tire and axle.

 

[RustyJC]

My trailer has the same problem with room for larger tires, I found Michelin XPS Ribs in 225/75R16 (E rated) and they are 1 inch larger diameter so I think I will have room for them but I am still researching.

The E-rated (3042 lbs load capacity per tire @ 80 PSIG in the LT235/85R-16E size) XPS Rib is an all-steel construction radial recommended by Michelin for commercial trailer applications. It runs significantly cooler than the fabric-and-steel construction Goodyear Wrangler HT (which has had some tread separation problems as well, although not to the extent of the Goodyear Marathons. )



If you have wheels rated to handle the load and 110 PSIG air pressure, the LT235/85R-16G (G-rated) all-steel construction Goodyear G614 RST is another excellent choice (3750 lbs load capacity per tire @ 110 PSIG).



I have used the XPS Rib (on a previous 5th wheel) and the G614 RST (OEM on the current 5th wheel) and have had excellent results with both, as opposed to the Goodyear Marathons (tread separation failure) and Goodyear Wrangler HT. My experience parallels that of many other RVers as reported on the RVing websites.



Rusty

 

[Todd T]

where does one go to find new 16" wheels for a trailer? I just had two carlisle ST's go bad @ 18mos old and less than 3000 miles on them. I want to replace all 5 tires but want to go to a 16" wheel too.

 

[RustyJC]

Here's one source - Southwest Wheel



Rusty

 

[Todd T]

Cool site, thanks Rusty