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BREAKING NEWS
Supplier RV Products Shuts Down Until January
RV Business
Thursday, November 20, 2008

Wichita, Kan. -based RV Products, a supplier of heaters and air conditioners, will shut down production for six weeks because of economic conditions.

The shutdown affects 161 workers, according to a report in the Wichita Eagle. Their last day will be Friday, and they are scheduled to return to work Jan. 5. They will not be paid during the shutdown but will retain benefits.

Another 45 office and service employees will remain at work.

The company has trimmed 50 employees from its work force since January.

Chief executive Mel Adams cited the credit crunch and the weakening economy for the cuts.

Sales began slowing significantly in the spring, when the cost of gasoline started rising. But sales remained “OK until the credit crisis hit in September and banks tightened lending standards,” Adams said.

"Once that started to unravel, many consumers were no longer qualified," he said.

At a recent trade show, he ran into an RV dealer who had 10 potential deals but was able to qualify only one for a loan.

Adams said he sees 2009 and 2010 at about the same as 2008. Sales will return to 2007 levels in 2011, he said.

The Eagle reported that local dealers in Wichita tell a mixed story about RV sales.

Ted Kimble, owner of Flint Hills RV, said he's actually sold more in November than in the same month a year ago.

He hasn't seen much of the credit problem, in part because local banks continue to lend.

But 2008 overall is down, he said, because high gas prices scared people away during the summer selling peak.

Clayton Craig, sales manager at Lydia Craig RV, said traffic has dropped sharply in recent months.

"Our sales the past three months has been pretty much nonexistent," he said. "We're keeping the doors open because of the service department. "

RV Products was founded as a division of Coleman Co. executives, led by Adams, bought the division in 1991. New York private equity firm Bruckmann, Rosser, Sherrill & Co. bought the company in 2005.
 
This is serious Harvey... . this is what I predicted would happen as more and more RV Manufacturer's close down or even downsize. This is a reputable company that has great service and tech support for their products. I've had to call them time to time for tech support questions regarding their products and have always been satisfied with their prompt and courteous attention. I understand they survived the last Rv windfall a few years back by merging with another company. Could Dometic be next??This is getting depressing:mad:I'm usually up to my eyeballs in RV work and maintenance and all I have now is winterizing trailers. And to save money... many of my customers are learning to do it themselves. Which,I guess is good for them,but you can certaintly see the RV lifestyle being temporarily shut down. I realize that many of us in TDR are still using our RV's regulary,but as a whole,I'm seeing a significant decline in RV'ing in general. #@$%!



Hope it gets better soon!!!!





Alan
 
Alan,

Yes, I find it troubling also for the industry and for myself personally. My HitchHiker has two Coleman a/c units, my personal favorite among RV a/c manufacturers.

I feel bad for the several thousand RV industry workers who have or will shortly lose their jobs and for the many manufacturers and dealers who may lose their companies.

So far I think the damage is temporary for most companies (not the ones who have already gone out of business) but if the grim situation continues into next spring I am afraid that the remaining manufacturers will not survive either.

I love the RV industry and consider RVing and travel a way of life. I bought my first travel trailer in late fall of 1972, a 1973 Prowler, in Bremerton, WA while in a submarine overhaul at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. My daughter has memories of winter camping up on the base of Mt. Rainier and is an RV enthusiast herself.

I didn't realize you are employed in the RV service industry. Do you own an RV dealership or RV service business?
 
HB,



I work for Verizon as an HVAC mechanic as my primary source of income... and benefits... . but I have a business after hours and on weekends,working on MH's and trailer's. It started about 12years ago when I bought my 1st RV... a used TT that was in horrible condition. I found that a lot of the mechanics in an RV echo what is found in my trade and noticed immediatley that there was a market for service work in my area. I kept the TT for about 2 years and then purchased a used but great condition 13 year old Winnebago and consequently set it up to tow a car behind it for my travels. Once again,I installed all the hitch and hardware and quickly realized another market for service was setting up towed vehicles behind MH's. That is the short of it and up until very recently,the RV lifestyle kept me busy. I'm afraid RVing has been temporarily stunned by the current economy and although we have been using our MH quite frequently,it has only been short trips of no more than 2 hours away. I have no doubt that it will come back,my fear is that it may be too late for some Companies and Manufacturer's.



Alan
 
Even if and when the industry recovers, the players that went broke will leave the survivors with less or no competition, which means higher prices for all of us as well. Worse yet, if ALL roof air manufacturers go down for instance, we may be unable to even buy one!
 
Even if and when the industry recovers, the players that went broke will leave the survivors with less or no competition, which means higher prices for all of us as well. Worse yet, if ALL roof air manufacturers go down for instance, we may be unable to even buy one!



I agree to a point,but,in order for Supply to dictate a monopoly on the industry... . a Demand of consumers wanting to purchase an RV will be down. Customer demand will be low largely due to lending institutions tightening up on their money. RV sales in the past few years can arguably be attributed to the fact that just about anybody could have recieved a loan for a purchase. Whether they could afford it or not,loans were issued and outrageous terms were set without much thought from the buyer.



Like I said,RV'ing will come back... . I just hope it comes back sooner than later. Campgrounds haven't started to lower their prices significantly and although I have noticed a decline of sorts in RV travel on the highways,it is by far not dead yet. I think that most,including myself,are just staying local. Cannot afford to sell it but also cannot afford to let an RV sit. That does more damage to them than using it.







Alan
 
Alan,

I wish your sideline RV repair business wasn't so far away. There have been many times over the years I've been back in Texas when I would have been very happy to have a small private RV repair service provided by someone I know to take my trailer to. I do not like RV dealer service . . . even less than I like automobile service departments.

Since I bought the HitchHiker in May 2007 I've taken it back to NuWa in Chanute, KS each time I've needed a warranty repair or wanted them to do something I was paying for. The NuWa service department is the best I've ever seen. The entire staff are like old friends. They know me, talk to me like a friend, do excellent work, and their prices are far more reasonable than RV dealer service departments.

I've continued to travel some this year in spite of the price of fuel. I made a trip to SoCal and then to May Madness back in March/April. Then I took a trip to Sault Sainte Marie, MI in June or July. I've also made several paid trips to retrieve cars or fifth wheels for my son-in-law. Back when fuel prices were at their peak I saw only a trickle of RVs on the highways. I've seen more lately as fuel prices have dropped to a more reasonable level.

I am confident RVing will continue. Not as confident, however, that new RV sales will recover anytime soon. I'm hopeful though!
 
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A Plumber or A/C mech can justify a $100 to $125 an hour scale through EPA regulations and warranty on materials or whatever. But what on earth constitutes an RV service dept. to get upwards of $110. 00 an hour. Mechanical trades Unions in my area are earning wages between $28 and $41 an hour... . tacking benefits to that and you have each mech. costing a Co. about $80 an hour... . that qualifies the $100 and over hourly wage. RV Dealerships have overhead granted... . but RV mechanics around here need only a RVIA#to work on a rig. This RVIA#is easy to obtain and costs very little to renew and maintain.



Naturally,I don't have all the overhead a Company must endure... . I have an 18' utility trailer and a CTD to maintain. Many of the tools and electronic eq. that I own for HVAC work are also used for RV work. Anyway,I charge $50 and have always had plenty of work. I know that sounds very low but if you understand that this a side business... . a few hundred bucks on top of base salary really helps out.



I'm not impressed with the Dealers and their choice of techs. It is hard to find a quality technician in any field these days... . many guys just don't want to work. You have 40 hour week employees that consider their job a place of employment and not a Career. Career based employees are what Companies need. We have all seen them in our local Dealerships... . you know the ones that have their gut stuck out of their shirt and moving real slow..... may have a cig. but without a doubt,the one listening to some kind of Rap music. You've seen em'..... he has greasy jeans on inside your luxurious RV and has been searching down a small electrical problem. You see the bill with 25man hours charged to it and wonder 'what the hell did your tech do for 25hrs. ' ... . Only for the Dealer to reply 'electrical problems take time to diagnose properly'



Regretably,I have heard all of these problems. Many RV owners are elderly and based on their respectable generation,they honestly believe that they will be provided with the best possible service when they take their rig in. Yeah right!!I know all Dealers are not like this but I would bet that each one will have the young slob I described on the payroll doing something to contribute his genious to your RV. I'm 41 and you see techs my age like this... . sad!!!I hate to see it!!!





Alan
 
Yep, I must have visited some of the same RV service departments you have. I've seen the same techs.

I'd guess that many RV dealerships would prefer to hire better techs but they can only hire from the available labor pool.

And guys (cheap xxxxxxxx) like me who won't buy trailers at retail prices force dealers to make their profits on the service and parts departments to survive.

But it is still a free country and I spend my money where I get the service and prices I prefer so a backyard shop or small indendent shop is my choice for RV repairs.
 
Alan,it's nice to know you're available in Md. ,i usually have my rv serviced at Endless Summers in Frederick simply because i purchased it there,and Curtis,the repair Boss is very knowledgeable..... i try to fix whatever i can myself,but I know my limitations... hehe



Best of luck to you,and perhaps we'll meet up someday... for business,or otherwise!!!... ... ... . tom;)
 
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