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On my way to Houston this evening, I saw a rather unpleasant sign on I-45 in the Woodlands. The sign gave reference to a website to report smoking vehicles. www.smokingvehicles.org

I have been reported once for this in Lake Jackson, Texas. It was kinda ironic because I was blowing a good bit of smoke tonight when I passed this sign! :D

This website is for Texas only, but I'm sure it will be or is in other states already. Just thought I would pass this along as some might find it interesting.

According to my political science professor, Houston ranks #1 in air pollution... . barely beating out LA. This might be why I saw the sign in Houston.

Cody
 
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California has had a similar program for a number of years. There have been numerous times where I've seen some beat up old POS going down the freeway with a blue cloud following and have thought about calling it in. Unfortunately, I don't carry a cell phone:( As much as I disagree with the CARB has implemented emissions testing I'm the first to admit that the results are positive. I lived in Claremont (suburb of LA) in the late 70's - a few miles from the base of Mt. Baldy. Baldy is ~8000ft and about half the time you couldn't see it. In the mid/late 90s I lived in Torrance/Long Beach and there has been a marked improvement in air quality over the 20 year period. Getting smoking/polluting cars off the road is part of that solution.



Note that the Texas website says emitting smoke for 10 continuous seconds.



Brian
 
Case in point. About five years ago a group of researchers were all set to study LA's air pollution but had to cancel, not enough smog. Sure is nice to be able to see the mountains surrounding LA again, they're gorgeous. Too bad it killed many of the trees before it improved.
 
There are no emissions standards for vehicles in the state of Wyoming that I know of. Besides it all blows to Nebraska anyway. :D



Everytime I drive down to Denver, though the air sure smells bad.
 
Get a copy of the October, 2002 issue of Car and Driver magazine if you want irked at the current state of events. In a nutshell, Ca. passed legislation that is intended to reduce the emissions of greenhouse gases. We all have to admit that is admirable. Essentially it means cutting the use of of gasoline by motor vehicles. Well, bottom line is that if all private driving in Ca. were completely banned, there would be a global reduction of under one percent in CO2. Think most of us realize that politicians are politicians, first and foremost, they tend to want to stay in office and they (as a general rule) won't vote against environmental legislation. CA. politicians are telling their constituents that this law will fight global warming. But, like politicians there is no increase in the gas tax; in fact, the law prohibits any fuel tax increases designed to limit greenhouse gases. The law simply calls for the reductions and will let CARB (the electric car people) pass the regulations. Ain't politics wonderful.

While I'm on a roll, think I'll write a letter to the Mayor's office about a street that should have been expanded to four lanes 20 years ago. Feel better now.
 
Tell ya how to get even NeedMoPower, every time you see one of those Gasser blowing out blue exhaust smoke, go to that web site and report them. It ah make ya feel better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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My letter to the TNRCC:



As a "victim" of the Smoking Vehicle Program I would like to suggest that you make a greater effort to inform the public that "... greater then ten seconds" is the issue.



I drive a Diesel truck and frequently pull a trailer, my engine will smoke for a couple of seconds each time I shift gears, this is because the turbo-charger looses RPM each time I release the accelerator pedal to shift. This is a normal function and the exhaust clears as soon as the turbo regains RPM.



New designs of turbo-chargers are being designed to drastically reduce the time it takes the turbo to regain RPM and soon this will be standard equipment.



People who consider themselves "green" or whatever will abuse the system ( as when I was reported ).



I believe if you add a "yes/no" question to the form "Was the vehicle smoking LONGER than 10 seconds?" and an explanation of how turbo-chargers work will prevent people from wasting tax dollars by having you send out pointless letters to people like myself.



Thank you,



George XXXXXXXXX



XXX

Marble Falls, TX 78654
 
I've seen them too

The real problem is all of the grandfathered plants along the ship channel. Oh yeah, they have thousands of $$$$ to give to the state legislators to keep from having to update their old sources. We DON'T.



I am waiting for about five years when I see some eco-freak's worn-out, poorly maintained 2003 Prius puking smoke. I will laugh as I call the TNRCC. Right now, I am looking for an old TxDOT truck or DPS truck that smokes (the weights-and-measures guys drive CTDs).
 
Now look what you have went and done me4osu , you are going to make me have to sit here and peck on this thing ( computer )for a while. Now I have been living in Galveston County all of my life. In fact my family moved here right after the 1900 Storm. My family move out to what use to be Country, now thanks to economical develoment we now live in the city!!!!!! I still live on the original home stead. Now I can not speek for the Houston Ship Channel, but all of the Chemical plants here in Galveston County were built in the 40tys and 50tys in fact my Grandfather help build Monsanto before and after the Texas City Disaster and my Dad help rebuild the plant after the disaster and they both retired from Monsanto. Now I will have to say that yes all the plants do add to the polution problem,but they always have. Infact there has been quite a few of the units in the plants in Galveston County that have been shut down and torn down and never been started back up and there has been a few new units built. Now we did'nt have a pollution problem in Galveston county here 30 years ago or 20 years ago or 10 years ago. We did'nt have a ozone problem either, but you know what we did'nt have either CARS!!! thats right, we did not have near the cars travelling on the Freeway (IH 45) or the Farm to Market Roads much less the back roads in this county as we do today and all of this Traffic has came around in the last ten years. Now if you dont think cars pollute then get on IH45 going north from Galveston between 7am to about 8am ( Monday through Friday )and get caught in a traffic jam around Airport Blvd. and if your luck'y maybe a wreck and hang you head out the window of your truck and take a big old wiff of those exhaust fumes and then tell me cars dont pollute. Too much economical develoment. Economical develoment brings more people,in which in turn brings more cars ,which in turn brings more pollution,higher fuel cost(cieaner burning fuel) get your car sniff(higher tags and safety sticker and I wont even mention driving 55 MPH or the emigration problem in Texas. As long as cars and trucks burn fossil fuels, they will always pollute to a certain amount. Now I dont want you to fill left out because from what I can read in the once a month Farm Bureau magizine that I get most all of the Texas politician are endorsing economical develoment, even out in the country and the small towns through out Texas. Now as far as those TX-DOT vehicle,do you know that TX-DOT is running a new fuel call Purinox that is a mixture of Diesel and Water that burns cleaner than straight Diesel . Do you know that it causes the motors to smoke more but according to Lubrazoil who makes Purinox the motors pollute less. Did you know that their Gasser run on Natural Gas and propane. Whanna know how I know, I work for TX-DOT . Now I will have to say that it might not be the best organization to work for ( too politically correct and too many rules and regulation, too low of pay ) but they are trying to keep their vehicles from polluting, Oh one other thing, that low emission California fuel is on its way to Texas, according to the fuel distributor that brings fuel to my house it will be comeing to Texas, sooner or later and if you ever have to use some of that Purinox,you can kiss 20 percent off you power good bye!!!!!!!! Now I dont know about up there in A~$*** county but here in Galveston county the weight and measure Troopers drive Dodges alright but they are Gasoline models. Man I believe this is the longest post I have ever typed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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One of the SHORTEST I have typed and a GIANT Paste

One DPS CTD works the Coops by the Brazos on I-10 ~728.

That is in AUSTIN and Waller County.



Have seen plenty TxDOT CTDs.



Here is a little something that proves me wrong on my little smarta__ remark about the ship channel. However it also dispells your notion of more cars = bad.





PRESS RELEASE

From the Office of State Senator Jon Lindsay



For Immediate Release

February 28, 2000



Houston, We Have a Problem: AIR QUALITY



Recently, Houston earned the dubious distinction of having the smoggiest air in the country, surpassing Los Angeles. That distinction can be somewhat misleading, however. It is not so much that Houston's smog problem has gotten worse in recent years (it has basically remained at the same level), but rather that L. A. has taken aggressive steps to reduce their smog levels. I point this out not to try to lessen Houston's smog problem, but rather to show that cleaning our air is not an impossible task. If L. A. can do it, so can we.



Smog, also called ground-level ozone, can trigger all kinds of respiratory problems, from sore throats and watery eyes, to life-threatening asthma attacks. Worse, ozone (smog) levels tend to be higher in warmer months-- months in which people are more likely to be pruning the garden, playing softball, running, and engaged in other outside activities, breathing the unhealthy ozone.



Houston's ground-level ozone reached unsafe levels 52 times last year. In fact, on the single worst day of 1999, the concentration of ozone was double the amount considered unsafe. While we Texans have a proud reputation for the most and biggest of everything, having the most smog and biggest smog problem is not something to brag about.



But isn't ozone good? Doesn't it block out the harmful ultraviolet rays that cause skin cancer? Yes, ozone is good-- at thirty miles up in the atmosphere where no one breathes it. At high altitudes, it acts as a kind of insulation over the earth. But when it forms at levels closer to the ground and people breathe it, ozone poses serious health risks. Numerous studies have shown that exposure to high ozone levels correlate with increased numbers of emergency room visits for asthma and other respiratory complications. To continue with the insulation analogy: the insulation in your house may be good in the attic, but you don't want to breathe it.



So what do we do to clean up our air? First, it is important to understand that ozone does not come directly out of a tailpipe or smokestack. Rather, it forms in the air in a complex chemical reaction from pollutants that do come out of tailpipes and smokestacks and from vaporized chemicals. According to experts, the best way for Houston to cut ozone levels is to cut its chemical components, specifically to reduce the amount of NOx emissions from tailpipes and industry smokestacks.



A lot of people think our air problem is all industry's fault. Some believe that there are ten or twelve old dirty "grandfathered" toxic chemical plants along the ship channel billowing out tons of thick, black smoke, and that if we could just clean up those ten or twelve plants, Houston would have crisp, clean, fresh air. Unfortunately, the problem is much bigger than that.



Imagine shutting down and then bulldozing every single industrial facility in the Houston area (which includes Harris County and the eight surrounding counties). Not just the ten or twelve factories along the ship channel, but every refinery, every manufacturing facility, and every plant. Every business with any industrial activity would be shut down and there would be no more industrial emissions. But our air would still not be clean enough to meet the federal ozone standard.



On the other hand, some believe the air problem is rooted in our love affair with cars, the thirty year-old clunkers, SUVs, and diesel trucks, the kind that you can smell even with your windows up and your air conditioner on max. If we would just carpool more or ride bikes or construct light rail or build more HOV lanes, Houston would have crisp, clean, fresh air. Unfortunately, the problem is bigger than the biggest SUV or diesel truck on the road.



Imagine taking every thirty-year-old clunker, SUV, diesel truck, and back hoe off the road. In fact, imagine taking every car, truck, bus, piece of construction equipment, motorcycle, and even moped off the road. Everyone in Houston would be walking or riding a bike and there would be no more mobile emissions. But our air would still not be clean enough to meet the federal ozone standard.



Houston's smog problem will not be solved with an either/or solution. To reduce our ozone to an acceptable level, we must cut NOx emissions by approximately 763 tons per day. If that sounds like a lot, it is. That translates into a 90% reduction by industry and a 50% reduction in mobile source (cars & trucks) emissions of NOx.



Make no mistake, finding a solution is not going to be easy. Tough choices are going to have to be made which will prove to be both expensive and unpopular. The technology required to clean up cars will cost from $100-$200 extra per vehicle, and the reformulated, cleaner-burning fuel will cost around 4 cents extra per gallon. Estimates are in the billions of dollars for adequate industrial pollution-control measures.



Some may say 'Well, so what? Maybe ozone levels are too high, but to fix the problem will be expensive and intrusive. I am willing to breathe smoggy air so that I can drive my diesel truck to my job at the refinery. ' Unfortunately, even that is no longer an option.



The U. S. Congress amended the Clean Air Act in 1990 and included tougher air quality standards for ozone. As with most federal mandates, the Clean Air Act comes with carrots and sticks. The carrot is that lowered ozone levels bring improved public health. On the other hand, there is a big stick awaiting should we fail to clean up the air, a stick that comes in the form of two dire economic penalties.



The first penalty would be a total cutoff of federal highway funding. Although estimates vary, this could mean hundreds of millions of dollars in lost highway projects, and approximately 5,000 construction jobs eliminated, not to mention the ripple effect on construction-related business. If you think traffic is bad now, imagine how bad it could be if we are unable to build any more roads.



Second, any new business coming into the area would have to trade emissions on a 2-for-1 basis. In other words, if Exxon wanted to open a new refinery that was expected to contribute 8 tons of emissions a year, it would have to find an existing plant willing to cut emissions by 16 tons. Since most businesses would presumably be trying to cut emissions as much as possible, there would be very few, if any, willing or able to make such an emissions trade. With new businesses unable to locate to Houston, economic growth would grind to a halt.



I continue to be amazed at the coalition that has come together to find a solution to Houston's smog problem. People that before could hardly stand to be in the same room-- local business and industry leaders, along with elected officials, environmental groups, and consumer advocates-- are working together with the Texas Natural Resources Conservation Commission (TNRCC) to put together a plan to clean up our air. I am confident that we will succeed.



At the end of the day, some will say the plan goes too far, others not far enough. But one thing is certain: we must work together to find a solution. Failure is not an option. If we do nothing, Houston will literally and economically be strangled by its own smog.







BTW. Seeing that I am outside the Houston/Galveston Non-Attainment area, I will continue to buy my fuel in Austin County; and I will smoke all the way in to Houston and back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Re: One of the SHORTEST I have typed and a GIANT Paste

Originally posted by me4osu

PRESS RELEASE

From the Office of State Senator Jon Lindsay



For Immediate Release

February 28, 2000



Houston, We Have a Problem: AIR QUALITY



and the reformulated, cleaner-burning fuel will cost around 4 cents extra per gallon. Estimates are in the billions of dollars for adequate industrial pollution-control measures.






This quote proves that Mr Lindsay is either ignorant, stupid, a liar, or all of the above.



First of all RFG costs more like 12 cents per gallon more.



Secondly, you currently have two choices of RFG. Ethanol based or MTBE based. The FACT is (and has been admitted by the EPA in court) both MTBE and ethanol burn dirtier than regular gasoline.



Ethanol actually causes smog due to the VOC's. Wonder why the windshield washer fluid you buy in alot of places doesn't take anything off and seems like it is just expensive blue water? Most of the alcohol has been taken out of it to reduce smog forming VOC's.



MTBE will become known as the DDT of the '90's and '00's. It is quite stable in the environment and has been responsible for many water wells being shut down all over the country.



If pols and govt types were held to the same standards as industry, there would be a whole lot of folks sued out of existance, spending their last miserable days in some hell-hole prison. And it would only be right and fitting.







Wayno:



I grew up in Friendswood. (home of the Fighting Earthworms) We built a house in '64. Spent 2 years prior up near what is now Alemeda Mall. Been gone since '82. There was plenty of air pollution then as now. We used to laugh as we drove south on I45 and saw the sign that said "Scarsdale, where the air is fresh. " If you left your eyes on the sign, the next thing you saw was the stacks of Lowe Chemical that became the Brio Superfund site. Was it the biggest one in TX or in the US? I forget.



I can remember going out of town and getting a headache for a few days from the smog.



Smog is not a product of the last few years.





As for the billboard, after some thought, I believe I will just start reporting every boom-boom car, every guy that cuts me off, every car with a bumper sticker I disagree with, every person who I do not like, people with "state judge" or "feral judge" license plates...



Abuse the h*** out of the system. If we ALL did this, maybe this little bit of NAZI Germany would be a thing of the past.



*soap box mode off*
 
I got this response from the Texas Smoking Vehicle program to my letter ( posted above ):



"... Your recommendation to include a "yes/no" selection box regarding the 10 second issue is certainly noteworthy and appreciated. In addition, your suggestion made us aware that when citizens report smoking vehicles via the Smoking Vehicle Hotline, we do not inform them about the 10 second rule. We will initiate changes to our Internet reporting forms and telephone hotline as soon as possible to rectify this oversight. "



Guess I did make a difference :)
 
Good man Texas Diesel. Bucking the system as the previous two posts suggest will just make things tougher. You have to work within the system, the law isn't going to go away just because you don't agree with it. Sort of like trying to change the outcome of an election by throwing a smoke bomb in the polling place.
 
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I dont know what those folks up there in District 13 are Kissing,but here in District 12 we cant seem to get a Dodge with a Diesel only Dodges with Gassers and junkie Chevys with 6. 5 and a few Fords with 7. 3. and a few Internationals with a over rated powerstroke. By posting Sen John Lindsay letter it will save me some pecking on this computer. The main words in his letter were U. S. Congress ,thats right they are the ones that came up with the smog thing and he is right about one thing '' Cut off high way funds " The State of Texas had to come up with ideals and rules to try to lower the polution or the funds will be cut off . Then the Federal Goverment had to be happy with these ideals and new rules and laws and when they become unhappy that the State ( People that live in Texas ) can not reduce the smog in Texas --Bye Bye highway funds . I can just see the fuel tax on Diesel and Gas sky rocketing now not to mention higher tags and stickers, somebodies going to have to pay. Now cutting off the highway funds might not be such a bad ideal because it might reduce the poulation because from what I can see while traveling around the State on " my own personal time " most all of the major highway contractors employ------- well lets be politcally correct here ------ there be a lot of people moving South. Also there are politician right now from what I have heard and read that are tring to get the sniff test for cars and trucks to be require through out the whole State and like my fuel distriburtor said that low suffur diesel is on its way to Texas and they did not say just to the Houston / Dallas area either and you know whos gonna make it come the federal goverment or no highway funds. Now you might think na they wont cut them off, well I got some bad news for ya, they did cut the funds off here last year or the year before I would have to look up the date and year but they only cut them for (if I remember right) only for about three months because something wasnt done like they wanted it to be so the State got punish. The last time I was up there in Bellville my friend old Tony was telling me how so many people from Houston and surrounding areas were moving up there to that area and driving to Houston every day to work and if I remember right some folks were driving 100 miles one way , now I just wonder if those people had stayed in Houston (or where ever) if there would be less smog in Houston not to mention less traffic jams because they wouldnt be driving so much. Might be less smog too if they had to get thier cars sniff too but by moving out of that eight surrounding county thing they can do what ever they want to when it comes to smog and polution. Thank God I only have to drive 5 miles one way to work because I am getting sick and tried of all the inconsiderate D. W. H. U. A. drivers on the highways. One other thing that wouldnt hurt either if people would quit subdividing all the farm land and putting subdivision on them and cutting down all the trees and burning them on a piece of land to build homes and businesses. Now I bet yall think I am some sort of environmentalist but I am not, but enough is enough. If things dont change there wont be any Things and the only thing that going to stop smog and polution is the stopping of economical develoment, progress and growth,slowing or stopping of emigratoin and if this country is going to let people emigrate here at least let only the countries that are our best of allies. But you know things could be a lot worst,the State could be inforcing all the rules and regulation that those folks in California have to abide by but then again if things dont change that will probable be next and yall folks that think that exhaust fumes from cars dont pollute, then get a car, any old car and put it in a one or two hole garage ( a good air tight one ) close the doors and the windows on the garage, start the car , get inside the car, roll down the windows , turn on the radio and kick back for about four hours or so and then tell me cars dont pollute. Man this post is longer yet
 
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I don't live in town

I live on 30 ac. off FM 949, and have been there for 12 years (country when country wasn't cool). Yes, I drive 45 mi one way to work, however I work with folks who drive from Seabrook and Alvin; same distance. I am on the road less than they are timewise: less emissions.



I know quite well that cars pollute and have never stated the contrary. I just want to see some equality in the regs. I drive around town and see plants, galvanizing shops, construction equipment, dry-cleaners and auto repair shops that could stand to reduce their contributions also.



Ask the folks in some of the NE industrial towns if they would like to have economic prosperity or a little less air pollution.



BTW One thing that I think will hold up the emissions regs, from migrating out of the Non-Attainment areas, is the farm lobby. They do quite a good job. :D :D
 
Wayno,



Where would you draw the line regarding how far out Houston/Harris County residents are permitted to move? Loop 610? Beltway 8? FM 2920? I live northwest of Houston in Cypress and work in the Jersey Village area (US290/Jones Road) - a 9-mile commute each way. Is that too far? One of my employees, however, lives in Industry (Austin County) and commutes to Jersey Village - about 65 miles each way. Is that too far?



Wayno, is it really the government's place to tell an individual where they can live and where they can work? Being a native Texan, my 2 cents' worth is that concept is totally alien to our way of thinking and will be vehemently resisted just like the totally ignored 55 MPH speed limit.



Rusty
 
Originally posted by Texas Diesel

My letter to the TNRCC:



As a "victim" of the Smoking Vehicle Program I would like to suggest that you make a greater effort to inform the public that "... greater then ten seconds" is the issue.



I drive a Diesel truck and frequently pull a trailer, my engine will smoke for a couple of seconds each time I shift gears, this is because the turbo-charger looses RPM each time I release the accelerator pedal to shift. This is a normal function and the exhaust clears as soon as the turbo regains RPM.



New designs of turbo-chargers are being designed to drastically reduce the time it takes the turbo to regain RPM and soon this will be standard equipment.



People who consider themselves "green" or whatever will abuse the system ( as when I was reported ).



I looked at your profile and your gallery page and can't for the life of me figure out why your truck would smoke enough, if at all, to have someone report you. A properly running stock '01 doesn't smoke. I've been able to get my VA equipped truck to smoke 1x - at 6000ft elevation. Now if you've BOMBed it and do smoke that's a different story. I'm all for more power but emitting big clouds of black smoke isn't the smartest thing to do - something about tampering with emission equipment/settings/certification and very large fines. Add power without increasing the smoke.



Brian
 
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