schaffer fuel additives

[Mhannink]

well i thought i would post about schaffers fuel additive. i just got some the other day and i have to say there is nothing like it out there. i filled up the other day when the nozzle clicked off i put the additive in then topped off the tank. by the time i was done the idle had changed noticably it was MUCH smoother. since then i have seen smoother idle like mentioned some more power less smoke coming out of the whole less boost cruising down the road and 50 to 100 deg drop in egts i have yet to fill again so i dont know about milage though ive driven this tank harder then others so i dont think i wil see a change in the milage. all i have to say is schaffers fuel additive is the best.

 

[BILLVO]

I was thinking af trying some myself. We run it at work with good luck. We buy bulk we go through around 30-35k gallons of diesel a day.



I am not impressed with the amsoil I am running. I notice no benefits to it but really have a negative down side to it. all 3 of my diesel vehicles lose milage with the amsoil diesel treatment.

 

[DeezelDood]

The Schaeffers got high marks in the highly-covered Lubricity Additve Study (thanks again to Spicer at Diesel Place). What caught my eye was that Schaeffers is an "emulsifier", assuming water emulsifier. TDR is all about sharing information for the benefit of all. I've been told that emulsified water can be bad for injectors. I'm not trying throw water on your choice (pardon the pun) but you should do some more research. I found no reference to water removal properties on the Schaeffer website. Both Power Service and Stanadyne list "water dispersant" as a benefit.

 

[Mhannink]

this is from there website it is the soy sheild premium



Supports the use of a renewable farmer-supplied fuel source.

Boosts the fuel's cetane rating up to 3 to 4 points.

Faster warm-up.

Reduced misfiring at lower air inlet temperatures.

Superior Cummins L-10 Injector Depositing Test and Cummins N-14 Injector Corrosion Test Performance.

Detergency to provide cleanliness throughout the entire fuel system.

Clean up and Keep clean performance for the entire fuel system.

Improved combustion of the fuel by completely vaporizing the fuel into smaller particles, thus providing better fuel economy and preventing a significant loss in engine power.

Increased fuel economy up to 5% - 7%.

Up to 5% improvement in Horsepower.

Dispersion of insoluble gums and varnish present in low quality fuels.

Modification of existing injector deposits, allowing for their removal and safe passage into the combustion chamber where they can be burned.

Reduced emissions, exhaust smoke and particulates.

A reduction in black smoke.

Increased fuel lubricity. (Soy based bio-diesel has 3 times the lubricity of diesel fuel).

Excellent anti-wear protection for the injectors and the fuel pump especially for those engines burning low sulfur and ultra low sulfur diesel fuels.

Lubrication of the upper cylinders, fuel pumps and injectors.

Supplemental ring and valve-train anti-wear protection.

Increased thermal stability to the diesel fuel in order to provide the ability to resist thermal degradation.

Inhibition of oxidation during storage.

Extended storage stability.

Helps control the acidic by-products produced by the combustion of diesel fuel.

Rust and corrosion protection to the entire fuel system.

Dispersion of water present in diesel fuel in order to prevent fuel icing and other problems associated with water.

Prevention of the formation of stable fuel-water emulsions.

Allows moisture to be rapidly separated from the fuel.

Allows the diesel fuel to meet the NCWM's Premium Diesel Fuel Specifications.

Helps control the conditions that lead to foul smelling fuel, stringiness and plugged filters.



deezelwood no worries its good to bring these things up but as you can see they do have a water dispersant(sp?)

 

[DeezelDood]

Excellent info, thanks.

 

[mhenon]

Read the MSDS. It's over 90% biodiesel plus a cetane boost. Your engine probably ran better because of the increase in cetane.

Mike

 

[Regcabguy]

Mixing directions.

Regardless of your choice of additives,adding the product after almost filling the tank,then topping off doesn't seem like the best way to ensure a good mixture. The directions advise otherwise.

 

[Mhannink]

bajabob your right it may not be the best but thats when ive always added it to get the mixture right % wise to the amount of diesel i put in.



this is from when i had my first truck and i could measure down to a . 1 of a mpg change from to much or little additive or no additive at all.



mhenon it might be mostly biodiesel but i know it works and since i dont have access to biofuels around here ill run this. i know it works i saw and felt a difference ill know about mileage tomorrow as i will be filling up to go to tulare.



i just cant believe how good this stuff works the only other one i saw work was powerservice and marvel mystery oil and that was cause i tracked my mileage so close.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Regardless of your choice of additives,adding the product after almost filling the tank,then topping off doesn't seem like the best way to ensure a good mixture. The directions advise otherwise.

Fuel circulating back to the tank from the IP & injectors will help mix it up fairly quickly, and if you park awhile then natural diffusion will take care of it by the time you drive the truck again.

 

[Regcabguy]

Directions,I don't need no stinkin' directions!

Men get accused of never reading the directions. I just thought I'd state that for once,I complied! The Schaeffer stuff sounds good anyway you mix it.

 

[DeezelDood]

bajabob your right it may not be the best but thats when ive always added it to get the mixture right % wise to the amount of diesel i put in.



this is from when i had my first truck and i could measure down to a . 1 of a mpg change from to much or little additive or no additive at all.



mhenon it might be mostly biodiesel but i know it works and since i dont have access to biofuels around here ill run this. i know it works i saw and felt a difference ill know about mileage tomorrow as i will be filling up to go to tulare.



i just cant believe how good this stuff works the only other one i saw work was powerservice and marvel mystery oil and that was cause i tracked my mileage so close.

After I figured out how to use it the Schaefer web site has more info than any of the other products. Thanks for bringing this our attention. Unfortunately, the dealer locator shows no retail sites near where I live in Nor Cal. Looks like I'm doing the doing the "poor man's" version of the Soya Premium anyway. I mix up a cocktail of B100 and Power Service (white bottle in winter, silver bottle spring/summer/fall) and splash blend to B2. I over do the Power Service just a bit so I'm not short. It's fairly inexpensive at Wal Mart. I don't worry about exact mix anymore. My overhead consistently runs about 1 MPG over calculated. I reset my trip odometer at fillups. Before I fill up I divide the total by the overhead mileage (minus 1) dump in what I need, then fill-er-up.

 

[Mhannink]

After I figured out how to use it the Schaefer web site has more info than any of the other products. Thanks for bringing this our attention. Unfortunately, the dealer locator shows no retail sites near where I live in Nor Cal. Looks like I'm doing the doing the "poor man's" version of the Soya Premium anyway. I mix up a cocktail of B100 and Power Service (white bottle in winter, silver bottle spring/summer/fall) and splash blend to B2. I over do the Power Service just a bit so I'm not short. It's fairly inexpensive at Wal Mart. I don't worry about exact mix anymore. My overhead consistently runs about 1 MPG over calculated. I reset my trip odometer at fillups. Before I fill up I divide the total by the overhead mileage (minus 1) dump in what I need, then fill-er-up.

where in norcal do you live there is one in turlock at the sharpening shop on lander. schaeffer does have a ton of info on there products thats one reason why i tend to trust there claims, and after this fuel additive i trust them that much more.



one thought to all norcal people who might like this is trying to get a dealer up here. if i can do it by mail out of my house and i can become a dealer i wouldnt mind trying to sell the stuff up here

 

[DeezelDood]

Thanks. I like their biodiesel blends. There is a lot of interest in bio these days (for lubricity). The fact that Schaeffers has put bio in their signature product places them at the head of the class IMHO. There is a shortage of bio retailers in California in general. I'll guess the fact that, by state decree, it is considered to be an "experimental" fuel contributes to that. Could state laws be the reason Schaeffers hasn't taken on a higher profile here?

 

[fox]

Schaeffers does very little advertising, that is why the products are priced like they are. They leave the advertising to thier reps.

 

[DPellegrin]

While Bio-fuels have their advantages, like displacement of petroleum fuels, the exhaust emissions from them are still a question. Emission tests from diesel engines operating on assorted percentages of Biodiesel have shown good reductions in Particulate emissions but actual increases in oxides of nitrogen (NOX) emissions when compared to DF-2. In fact the higher the percentage of Biodiesel the higher the NOX emission increase. Perhaps this is why CA. has proceeded cautiously?

 

[seafish]

Can anyone direct me to some research that shows biodiesel is MORE lubricitous than petroleum. My understanding, at least in the early days, is that it was actually less lubricitous and MORE corrosive-- the alcohol has a cleaning effect. Supposedly that is why one would have to change filters often during the transition from regular diesel to biodiesel. Not trying to badmouth biodiesel or Schaeffers, just trying to get clear on the concept.
Thanks

 

[DeezelDood]

Go to: National Biodiesel Board - www.biodiesel.org - www.nbb.org. (biodiesel.org) ASTM6751 standard seems to have removed fears about bio. All the major engine mfrs, incl Cummins, have hopped aboard. There are lots of posts in this forum, and web search on "biodiesel" will get you lots of info on the benefits. I researched for six months then bit the bullet after reading the (search) "lubricity additive study" in TDR. 15,000 miles on B2 to B5, no fuel filter plugging. Probably subjective, but I think I'm seeing 0. 5 mpg improvement. I use anti-gel in winter, have had no problems down to 10 deg F. In the end its a personal choice, as with all additives. Knock on wood, but the wheels would probably fall off before the Cummins dies, no matter what we do.

 

[Buffalo]

CFish,



You may want to go to dieselplace.com (the Duramax website) & search for the "Lubricity Test" conducted by their member "Spicer".



It was a very good test & showed that a mix of 2% biodiesel/#2 diesel fuel performed the best of all the additives they tested.



Surprisingly, some of the popular additives were really lousy.



It's a good read & quite informative.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[seafish]

Thanks you guys, I'll check it out!!

 

[pwr2tow]

Mhannink,
So the additive was the soy sheild premium that you used? Schaeffer website lists many different diesel fuel additives.

Any MPG numbers yet?