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I haven't searched, but also don't recall any discussion of this, but I have a goofy seatbelt problem.

The passenger belt seems to work fine but then decides to lock into position. (Meaning the wife can no longer reach the heat, radio, etc. ) The belt has to be unbuckled and retracted then buckled again.

Anybody got an idea what's up with this? We're taking a little road trip in a couple weeks and it would be more pleasant if she is not constantly annoyed.

Thanks
 
Your truck is set in "overbearing woman mode". This is used to keep wire/girlfriend from changing the heater settings or switching radio stations every time song comes on they don't like.





bighammer said:
I haven't searched, but also don't recall any discussion of this, but I have a goofy seatbelt problem.



The passenger belt seems to work fine but then decides to lock into position. (Meaning the wife can no longer reach the heat, radio, etc. ) The belt has to be unbuckled and retracted then buckled again.



Anybody got an idea what's up with this? We're taking a little road trip in a couple weeks and it would be more pleasant if she is not constantly annoyed.



Thanks
 
What ever it is you cannot repair it. Seat belts if ANY issue are replaced. Never taken apart etc. Just make sure its not twisted and thats about it short of installing a new one.
 
My finance is always complaining about this, I thought it was just user error. I guess I am actually going to have to listen her next time she complains about it.
 
TowPro said:
Your truck is set in "overbearing woman mode". This is used to keep wire/girlfriend from changing the heater settings or switching radio stations every time song comes on they don't like.





Towpro is exactly right. This is standard on the CTD. Women are supposed to be still and leave stuff alone. My wife on rides my truck about twice a year. After she does, it takes me about two weeks to get everything back like I want it. Be happy you have a seat belt that does that.
 
moyer2500 said:
My finance is always complaining about this, I thought it was just user error. I guess I am actually going to have to listen her next time she complains about it.





My old Yukon XL did it too and she was so happy for me to trade it in on the Dodge... Now my Dodge is doing it too, maybe I can use it to get a mega cab :)



Bryan
 
My 05 truck does the same thing on the passenger side only. I though it was normal since my 95 did the same thing. So is it normal or not? I hope to get a real answer from you TowPro.
 
At least I'm not alone in this. (And I can honestly tell her I asked for help on it)

Our 98 Bonneville has a goofy passenger side belt. To get the belt out, you have to push down a little tab to release it just to put it on. (I ditched the trim that covers it a long time ago)
 
I bet you it's D. O. T. related...

It's design to Lock in for Infant/Child Safety Restraint seats. Don't want Jr. Flying into the dash when the Air Bags go off.
 
YFZBOB said:
I bet you it's D. O. T. related...

It's design to Lock in for Infant/Child Safety Restraint seats. Don't want Jr. Flying into the dash when the Air Bags go off.

It's a feature. If you pull the belt ALL the way out it goes into "child safety" mode.



Tell your wife to stop pulling the belt all the way out and this won't happen anymore.



-Ryan
 
rbattelle said:
It's a feature. If you pull the belt ALL the way out it goes into "child safety" mode.





OK. I'm the world's biggest smart ***. So I'm having a hard time beliving this. Is this true? I have a buddy that it happened to the other day in my truck. He's the only one it happened to in the 2 years I've owned it. I thought it was operater error too. But after reading the comment I'm thinking that's what he did. All depends if this is true or not. Honestly is it?
 
driverno8 said:
All depends if this is true or not. Honestly is it?



:-laf I swear to you it is absolutely true. Read the owner's manual (or sometimes it's written on a label sewn onto the belt).



What motivation do I have to lie?



-Ryan
 
Dang it Mine didn't come with the "Keep women and children out of the settings" feature. Can my Dealer turn it on with a DRBIII?



hehehehehehe
 
I work for a supplier of seatbelts, airbags (all types), steering wheels, and night vision. Actually I work in the test lab for these things. rbattelle is right. I will try to go as much into detail without giving away proprietary information of my company.



It is a function of the seatbelt retractor called ALR. (Automatic Locking Retractor). It is activated by fully extracting or pulling out the seatbelt. Once the ALR mechanism has been triggered, you will probably be able to hear a very faint clicking sound as you feed the webbing back in. I am not sure where the retractor is mounted in the Ram (most likely near the floor of the B-Pillar), but if you put your ear by the bottom of the seat/B pillar you will probably be able to hear it. ALR should only engage when the belt is pulled out all the way. If it engages early, it is a nuisance. It should unlock a little before the at rest position when not in use. Either of these nuisance conditions can be caused by a misalignment in the timing mechanism. It often helps with the installation of child/baby seats. Generally ALR will be found everywhere except the drivers seat. I have heard that maybe the Corvette has them in the drivers seat to help keep the driver in place. To basically lock you into place. Don't quote me on the Corvette line tho. There are a few other features of a retractor that you may run into.



Another mechanism senses the acceleration of webbing as it is being pulled out. Ever hop in (in a hurry) and try to put your seatbelt on (too fast), only for it to lock, and have to feed it back in before being able to put it on. Think of what your body does when you are in an accident. You are not bolted to your seat and so you will want to move/slide forward. When you accelerate forward, the seatbelt webbing also accelerates. The retractor senses this and locks. This is called websense.



There is also the ELR function. Emergency Locking Retractor. Think of a basketball on a shot glass. Grab the shot glass and start sliding it across the bar. Get going at a good clip and suddenly stop the shot glass. The basketball keeps moving. This "basketball" hits something else and triggers a locking mechanism. Think of you stopping the shot glass as the vehicle striking an object in a crash. This will lock the webbing as well. If you really want to try this in your vehicle, go somewhere where there is no traffic. Slam on the brakes on an asphalt or concrete road. Same effect. I take no responsibility if you get rear ended.



Then there is tilt lock. If you roll your vehicle, you will find out first hand how this works. Simply put, the vehicle can be on an angle to a certain extent and the seatbelt function as if it were on a flat road. After that it will lock. Jumpin' on it on a 4-leaf clover e-way on ramp can lock a retractor too. This condition amplifies the combined effect of the previously mentioned ELR (g forces acting) and the car tilting/leaning.



Then there is the pyrotechnic pretensioning system. To put it really bluntly, it takes the slack out of the seatbelt system. There are also yielding components to lessen the forces on the body. All of these components of a retractor must meet strict FMVSS and manufacturer standards and function over the lifetime of a vehicle. As much as you want your wife in her seat as to not mess with the radio, if you are in any doubt, take it to a dealer. Whew I'm winded. Sorry for the long post.
 
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Tell her to move more slowly when extending the belt. I think these belts have "inertial reels" which I think of as a "retracted star". When you grab your belt and pull it out of the reel quickly, the inertia of the reel fans the points of the star out to grab the opposite fixed points and locks the belt. It then ratchets as you move it back toward the seat. It keeps you from going forward when you hit something of course, but also tightens as you sink back in the seat on the rebound. The only way I've found to immediately release it is to release the door latch and shut the door again. (not in a left turn for her sake), which somehow releases the belt.
 
The driver's seatbelt will also lock-up if you turn fast or fast+uphill or downhill. It's called inertia or pendulum activation. It keeps me from reaching radio/ac while turning in the mountains. I think they even went so far as to have motors that automatically tighten seatbelts when airbags deploy.



My late eighties car had a feature that after wearing the seatbelt for a while, it would stop pulling at you, and you would not even feel it anymore (unlike modern belts which hurt the longer you wear them)

The lawyers did away with that slack saying it could cause too much slack, so now they really pull about twice as hard as they should. I am thinking of buying seatbelt clips to keep them slightly loose on longer trips, but nobody sells them anymore.
 
broeser340 must have been typing his response as I was typing mine.



broeser340,

Is there any link between opening the door and the seatbelt unlocking?
 
rbattelle said:
broeser340 - great post.

-Ryan

Ditto. I appreciate everybody's input on this. I learned about how the belts work and to make sure she pulls it ALL the way out to make sure she leaves the heat and radio alone.
 
rbattelle said:
:-laf I swear to you it is absolutely true. Read the owner's manual (or sometimes it's written on a label sewn onto the belt).



What motivation do I have to lie?



-Ryan





Wasn't calling you a liar by any means. Sorry, text just sometimes comes out wrong. Sorry if you took it that way. I was just laughing about the whole thing when I started reading this thread. The look on my buddies face was priceless as he *****ing up a storm at my seat belt the other night. The thread just brought back thought. I tried the pull out method last night (your minds in the gutter if your thinking something else. LOL) and sure enough it worked. I'd just never heard of seat belts doing that before. Just made me laugh when it actually did it. I called my friend and he felt like an idot when I told him what caused it. What I want to know is who pulls their seatbelt all the way out to put it on?
 
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