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Service Bulletin ("New" FLASH) of 6/12/'07

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2008 2500/3500/4500/5500 Info

NOTE! Current flash is a REVISION!

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I have in front of me a copy of "SERVICE BULLETIN 18-033-07 REV. A", announced on 6/12/'07.



[This bulletin SUPERCEDES the UN-REVISED "TSB 18-033-07", which should be removed from service-dept. files. ]



I can/will not post quotes, other than the immediately-following one, because of what it says:" No part of this publication may be reproduced,(... ..... )in any form, by any means, (... ... . )without written permission of DaimlerChrysler Corporation. "



Therefore I will attempt to paraphrase most of what follows:



The subject has to do with the accumulation of soot, difficulty reprogramming PCM(Power Control Module), and the enhancements of other engine systems.



Very specific instructions are included regarding steps to be taken to correctly accomplish this "flash".



The bulletin is intended for 2007 models of the 2500 and 3500 series Ram trucks, having the 6. 7L diesel, and built on-or-before 6/11/'07.



The bulletin allots. 7 hours labor time, with possibly an additional 1. 2 hours, up to a total of 1. 9 hours(for both), depending on requirements of the particular vehicle. ["Labor operations" which are/may be involved, are 18-129-04-34, and 11-50-02-90. "StarSCAN" must be used to perform the procedure. ]



8(!) symptoms or conditions are addressed, INCLUDING technicians having difficulty/failing to be able to accomplish the flash(s). ( A special, different reprogramming procedure is required. )



The 8 symptoms have up to 6-or-so subdivisions (as in 1A, 1B, 1C,... , etc. )



THIS FLASH DESCRIPTION IS EXTENSIVE!! 8 printed pages!



It requires an intelligent, careful technician who is a GOOD reader. ( Step X, items A thru E, followed by Step Y items A thru I,... etc. , etc. , etc. )



If/when the procedure is completed, the service dept. is instructed to place an "Authorized Modification Label" on the vehicle. The modification "part number" is shown as 55351105 AT on the AML on my truck(which has the 6-speed auto).



This label has been placed above the radiator, about 8 inches to the right of the hood-latch on my truck (YOUR right, as you face the rig).



I have no way of knowing whether the flash was/was-not accomplished correctly on my rig,... but here is one possible indicator; I have driven the truck 750 miles with no EVIC "alerts", and no noticed indications[unusually high temps on the EGT gauge(pre-turbo installation)] of "active regen".



To contrast this with an "un-flashed" ( I believe) rig, delivered to Brad the day before the flash became available; he reports a high-temp indication ( on a similarly-mounted EGT gauge)about once an hour for approximately 1 min per incident. I do not believe 10 such occurrences would have escaped my notice on the 754 miles I have driven. I did not see the gauge read over 1200 deg. (usually much less), at any time, regardless of the varied driving I did (45-75) with occasional attempts to "load" the engine by accelerating uphill, etc. (once or twice, unintentionally, to 80-or-so,... it is very easy and very quick with these trucks when empty!)



The literature describes the "passive regen" as "transparent" to the operator. If any regen was going on during my drive, it was certainly transparent to me.



We need to understand more about this process, as I don't see how "passive regen" is likely when the pre-turbo temp stays below 1100-1200 deg. at normal highway speeds, and temps further-down the exhaust path(at the DPF) should be even lower, by 300 deg +/-.





Please do not expect me to answer the many questions this post will (understandably) raise about the specific contents of this bulletin. .



I would very much want to know more, if I were reading this, and I suggest that you address this issue with your dealer, and BE INSISTENT!



If any service manager gives indications of dis-interest, ignorance, or denial as to the need/availabilty of this "flash" , supply him with the numbers I have given you in this post, and if there is no change in attitude, go elsewhere!



This procedure is "reimbursable" under warranty.



In order to respect confidentiality, I will not reveal/answer questions about my source of this material. Please do not ask.



I post this-much here in the interest of helping other owners get needed service for these trucks, which will no doubt be terrific, once the bug-ironing is finished. ;)



I hope all meet with the cooperative service I have received. There are dealers, ... and then there are dealers.



I bought from Adam Macomber at Dishman Dodge, Spokane, Washington.



Drove +/- 750 miles round trip for the "privilege".



I think that is the correct word! :)
 
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Only one item of interest/curiosity - when the earlier 3rd generation trucks had issues of concern about oil pressure, DC's "answer" to the problem was to reprogram the computer as to render the oil pressure gauge useless - always reading about mid-scale when the engine was running. Could this latest "fix" from DC possibly be similar - program the vehicle system to not accurately register EGT at times when the purge was active, merely as a tool to ease the concerns of owners?
 
Only one item of interest/curiosity - when the earlier 3rd generation trucks had issues of concern about oil pressure, DC's "answer" to the problem was to reprogram the computer as to render the oil pressure gauge useless - always reading about mid-scale when the engine was running. Could this latest "fix" from DC possibly be similar - program the vehicle system to not accurately register EGT at times when the purge was active, merely as a tool to ease the concerns of owners?



"Could?" covers a lot of territory. ;)



Don't see how these aftermarket EGT gauges(ISSPRO, from Diesel Manor), could be told what to say by the EVIC,... which , to my knowledge, has no access into the pathway from the tapped-in sensor to the separately mounted gauge.
 
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"Could?" covers a lot of territory. ;)



Don't see how these aftermarket EGT gauges(ISSPRO, from Diesel Manor), could be told what to say by the EVIC,... which , to my knowledge, has no access into the pathway from the tapped-in sensor to the sparately mounted gauge.



OK - wasn't sure if the latest trucks had their own EGT gauges, controlled thru the computer... ;)
 
Hope that this new flash will fix my truck. I just pulled my toyhauler 800 miles (GCVW 19250). The truck regen 11 times and the pyro would jump to 1500 degree on flat freeway. Then I would slow down (below posted speed) but it would stay between 1300 and 1400 degrees. Hope it didn't hurt anything only time will tell. That also makes me wonder about these poeple towing with out an egt gage, what kind of damage are they doing without even knowing it?
 
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Just picked up my truck yesterday after the MIL light came on at 165 miles. The service mgr. said that he didn't know of any new updates at all. The engine had a code P200C which he said was "something to do with the DPF".

Again, time will tell.
 
Hope that this new flash will fix my truck. I just pulled my toyhauler 800 miles (GCVW 19250). The truck regen 11 times and the pyro would jump to 1500 degree on flat freeway. Then I would slow down (below posted speed) but it would stay between 1300 and 1400 degrees. Hope it didn't hurt anything only time will tell. That also makes me wonder about these poeple towing with out an egt gage, what kind of damage are they doing without even knowing it?



At what point in the exhaust-line is your EGT sensor installed (pre/post turbo- etc. )?



Try running in a lower gear for a given speed,... this may cool things down a bit. Let us know, if you try it.
 
Pre turbo- I did shift it into 4th and rev the **** out of it but it ran just under 1400 degrees until the regen stopped. Even in 4th and dropping down to 45-50 mph it would jump up to the 1500 degree mark.
 
Wolfy,



Mine was completed on the 11th or 12th and put on the train. Any way of knowing if it has the right program or should I just have Adam send it straight to service?
 
Wolfy,



Mine was completed on the 11th or 12th and put on the train. Any way of knowing if it has the right program or should I just have Adam send it straight to service?



Sounds as though your truck is a definite "maybe" ;)



"Built on or before june 11" is the stated application for the TSB.



Here is what I would do:



Point out this situation to Adam Macomber and/or Josh Ullrich at Dishman. I have been in communication with them while working on sorting out how this thing functions. They are up-to-speed on this, so far as current understanding allows, and can/will certainly get it done if your rig needs it.



Do not accept the truck until it is verified that it has the proper programming.



Trucks built "on or before' which have had the new "revised" flash should show the "modification" label as described in my OP.



I don't know if/how any such info is put on units built "after" which do not need the "modification". There may be no special note, as the new programming is now presumably "standard".



Good luck!
 
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