Paul, you're my hero! I too dispise the dealer 'lot weasels' and have come to the point in life where I just don't want to deal with them! Just too darn taxing! So I spent my time on the web, and when on the lots physically looking at the trucks, avoided the 'staff'.
Luckily I was ordering out a new one, so I could get away with the absolute minimum contact and avoided all the haggling. After researching the Invoice and Cost on the web, I just shopped by telephone until I found a dealer willing to sell to me at my price in relation to invoice.....
If one were to want one off the lot, then your work is cut out for you and you gave some very sage advice.
Today the vast majority of "Car Salesmen" don't live up to their name and don't know much more than how to push you into an "impulse buy" and get you to sign on the bottom line..... So the past 3 trucks I didn't bother with them. I looked up the info myself. Wasn't easy sometimes, but I did my research and got the truck I wanted.
I do have to admit that I went to a small town 5 star dealership, and even though I had my antennae up and back against the wall, they made the transaction with no tomfoolery or skullduggery, and the truck even came in $400 less than what was expected! If they wanted they easily could have buried the $400 and I'd never had known.
I went with them theorizing that a small town rural dealer has to be in it for the 'long haul' and can't go around screwing customers; the word would get out and they'd be kaput.
It truely is a shame that Car Salesmen don't take pride in their profession. Some do. Most don't. They're just 'sliding' and going for the quick sale. They don't even bother being knowedgable about their product!
My appologies to any Car Salesmen that may be reading this tirade. I don't think there are, but if you are out there, Sorry.
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